WEBVTT 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:10.510 An attempt by Congress to depose Ghislaine Maxwell under oath went nowhere fast on Capitol Hill today. That's because Maxwell's virtual deposition before the House Oversight 00:00:10.520 --> 00:00:19.190 Committee ended, unsurprisingly, with her pleading the fifth. I therefore invoke my right to silence 00:00:19.200 --> 00:00:29.070 under the Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution. I invoke my Fifth Amendment right to silence. I invoke my Fifth Amendment right to silence. I 00:00:37.080 --> 00:00:46.550 Now, Maxwell's attorney, David Markus, did say that she would speak if granted clemency by President Trump while dangling the possibility of clearing both President Trump and President Bill 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:54.630 Clinton. While that was playing out today on the Hill, it was also the first day here in Washington for lawmakers to be able to see the unredacted files. 00:00:54.640 --> 00:01:04.030 What the Justice Department did not put out as a result of the disclosures following that law that the president signed. Keep in mind, when you look through what the public can see, there's 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:14.270 a lot of black ink, as you can see here. This is just one section of the files that were released back in December by the Justice Department. In some cases, page after page are fully redacted and 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:23.590 hidden from the public, not always with explanation as to why. In some cases, the DOJ has said it was to protect victims or survivors. We saw members 00:01:23.600 --> 00:01:34.790 going in to visit the Justice Department, though, to see what is behind those blacked out pages. At least a few Democrats as they came out said they saw this. 00:01:34.800 --> 00:01:44.270 Donald Trump's name is all over these files. All over it. I mean, thousands and thousands of times. But there are clearly co-conspirators in here that they can name. Okay? I mean, in the 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:52.630 documents I saw, we got pictures and their names. They're talking about sourcing girls. One Republican who saw those unredacted 00:01:52.640 --> 00:02:01.110 files today is one of the lawmakers who actually wrote the law forcing their release ultimately. Kentucky Congressman Thomas Massie is my next speaker tonight 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:10.350 and thank you sir for for being here. That was Jamie Raskin and Jared Moskowitz's takeaway. Obviously we already knew Trump's name was mentioned in the files. You can see that publicly. 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:19.310 What was your takeaway from what you saw behind there? Well, Jared is right. There are co-conspirators named in these files that have been redacted. And so I was 00:02:19.320 --> 00:02:29.310 surprised to find the names of six men in there. One is a sultan. He is He may not be a co-conspirator, but he's the one who sent the torture video. 00:02:29.320 --> 00:02:38.470 Another is a high-profile CEO, retired, who was listed as a co-conspirator, literally listed as a co-conspirator on 00:02:38.480 --> 00:02:47.830 FBI documents. And he had been redacted and his picture and his name. And then there were four men that are kind of in a list of 20 that includes 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:58.390 Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and some victims. And I was able to find those four names. So six names in there I'm asking the DOJ to unredact. 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:06.790 So you had said that on on Twitter, Todd Blanched, who is the Deputy Attorney General, on the sultan part responded tonight and said he quote tweeted you 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:16.030 and said you looked at the document, you know it's an email address that was redacted, the law requires redactions for personally identifiable information including an email address. And he said 00:03:16.040 --> 00:03:24.350 the sultan's name is available unredacted in the files. He says be honest and stop grandstanding. No, they redacted the email. Now it may be a 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:34.590 mistake on their part or maybe they didn't intend to redact the sultan's involvement in this torture video. But it it is the sultan's email and then 00:03:34.600 --> 00:03:44.190 I put the sultan's email back into their computer and found the sultan's name. This is something you can't do at home. You can't do on the internet. And so I had to go in there and find it. This is 00:03:44.200 --> 00:03:52.790 an example of something maybe it wasn't intentional on their part. I'd like to hear his take on the redaction of the CEO who's listed as a co-conspirator in 00:03:52.800 --> 00:04:00.870 the 2019 child sex trafficking case. So, can I ask you because and I want to ask you if this is the same person, Todd Blanche also said about that tonight 00:04:00.880 --> 00:04:10.990 that the document you're citing there has victim names in it. Something to say that's why there are redactions. He said, "We have just unredacted Les Wexner's name from this document, but 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:19.630 his name already appears in the file thousands of other times." And he says the Justice Department is hiding nothing. Is that the retired CEO? 00:04:19.640 --> 00:04:28.070 That you're referencing? >> [clears throat] >> It is. He unredacted it after I found it. That's a problem and I'm glad they have admitted they made a mistake by redacting that. 00:04:28.080 --> 00:04:36.470 >> So, you're saying it was redacted when you went in there today and after you tweeted that they unredacted it. >> Correct. Now, he's got four other names he needs 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:45.590 to unredact. Did he respond to that? There's a list of 20 people. Um and there's four men in there that need to be unredacted. Here's another troubling thing that I found. 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:54.830 >> Can you say who those four men are tonight? I don't think they're well-known and so if I did, it wouldn't matter, but I could probably say them on the floor of the house, but I'll give 00:04:54.840 --> 00:05:04.390 the DOJ a chance to do what they did in these two examples where I've discovered something and now they've responded. I want to give them a chance to respond and 00:05:04.400 --> 00:05:13.710 unredact those four names. But, here's another problem, big problem that I discovered. There's big black screens of complete redactions. When you go in there and 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:22.470 look on the computer, sometimes you lift off the black ink and there's white ink redacting files. And so, when we asked the people in the room who weren't responsible for the 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:31.110 redactions, they said, "Oh, we think those are how the files were given to us." Now, those are 302 forms that come from the FBI. And the FBI 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:40.030 >> witness interview. >> Correct. Witness interview forms which would have the names of people who are implicated in crimes by the witnesses 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:48.670 and the victims. You we can't see those. Now, the DOJ can say, "Well, this is how the FBI gave those two of us. Here's the problem with 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:58.110 it. The legislation that Ro Khanna and I wrote makes the DOJ responsible for producing the documents, but it compels the FBI and US Attorney Generals to turn 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:07.710 over those documents. So, they don't have the authority to just make random redactions. Here's another problem with the redactions. You know, the the DOJ put up files and then they pulled them 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:16.030 back down. And in December, they pulled them back down, redacted a little more, and put them back up in some cases. Well, in this latest tranche, they've 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:24.950 pulled files down, they haven't put them back up, and when I go over to the computers, I can't see the files they've pulled down. I have hard copies from where they were up on the internet. 00:06:24.960 --> 00:06:34.110 >> not even available internally to you, from what you can see. As far as I can tell. >> And you don't know why that is? I have no idea why that is, and I would 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:42.750 hope that when I go back to the DOJ tomorrow, they'll make those files available. >> You mentioned that you may be able to say these names on the House floor. For people who don't know, that's because 00:06:42.760 --> 00:06:51.190 you're protected by a clause basically that provides immunity to representatives and senators for for things that you say in your legislative sphere, 00:06:51.200 --> 00:07:00.070 um for those actions. Are you willing to say those names on the floor? Oh, absolutely I am. If that If that will serve the survivors. If the survivors 00:07:00.080 --> 00:07:08.870 want me to, I'll do it. But in the meantime, this is the kind of progress we need to make. We need the DOJ to admit that these men were listed as 00:07:08.880 --> 00:07:18.270 co-conspirators in their own files, and then to release their own files, which it looks like Todd Blanche just did tonight. He admitted that and and 00:07:18.280 --> 00:07:26.950 there's This is a very significant admission on his part because you have the FBI Director Kash Patel who came to Congress and told us there was nothing 00:07:26.960 --> 00:07:35.430 in these files that implicates any other men in sex trafficking of minors. Yet, we've got a document now that Todd Blanche just unredacted tonight because 00:07:35.440 --> 00:07:44.790 I found it that shows that Lex Wexner was a co-conspirator, according to the FBI, in 2019 when Trump was president. 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:53.910 >> And he's the former CEO of Victoria's Secret that was known to have have been in Epstein's circle. Can that moment when Kash Patel testified previously, he said 00:07:53.920 --> 00:08:04.470 they uncovered no credible information about Epstein trafficking underage girls to anyone besides himself. I want to play that moment of what he testified. 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:12.630 Who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic these young women to besides himself? Himself. There is no credible 00:08:12.640 --> 00:08:20.790 information. None. If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals. And the information 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:29.310 we have again is limited. So, the answer is no one? I'm asking you in that stuff there's nothing that's related to to any other sex traffic any other 00:08:29.320 --> 00:08:39.270 people engaged with Epstein in underage sex. >> That's correct. To my knowledge, no. Given what you saw today, does that testimony ring true to you still? No, 00:08:39.280 --> 00:08:48.590 the FBI's own documents from 2019 list Leslie Wexner as a co-conspirator in a child sex trafficking case. 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:56.829 So, you know, they've got some explaining to do. Um Does that mean you think Kash Patel perjured himself? 00:08:56.839 --> 00:09:06.150 You know, I thought when he said that, maybe he what he's the trick he's using in his mind is that well, he's considering it prostitution and maybe 00:09:06.160 --> 00:09:15.990 what they have is evidence of sex trafficking of people who weren't minors. But, what we see tonight is the charge that Lex Wexner Wexner was a 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:25.110 co-conspirator to was child sex trafficking and it's on the FBI's own documents from 2019. So, you're saying that should be investigated, basically. 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:34.510 >> Should absolutely be investigated. The other problem with what Kash Patel said there is we got I believe his name's Leon Black is implicated in these files, 00:09:34.520 --> 00:09:44.310 too, as somebody that and and these are the attorneys at DOJ and in the New New York courts who were 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:53.590 referencing a case on Black to the DOJ. They say that Epstein trafficked women to Leon Black. The The Justice 00:09:53.600 --> 00:10:03.630 Department previously said we did not redact [clears throat] any names of men, only female victims. You're saying you saw men's names redacted today, though. I did. I saw 00:10:03.640 --> 00:10:13.590 four in a list of 20. The other people on the list were Maxwell, Epstein, and mostly survivors that I recognized. And then four men who 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:24.550 weren't trafficked because their date of birth predates 1970. Like they were all born in the '60s. And you see no reason why those men's names are redacted in 00:10:24.560 --> 00:10:34.670 these files. >> No, unless they were in some random lineup. But this This requires the DOJ to respond to it. Just like they responded to my two tweets tonight about 00:10:34.680 --> 00:10:42.990 the Saltan who had heretofore not been known and about Les Wexner who is in the files 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:53.870 listed as a co-conspirator on the on the file that they unredacted tonight. >> And you're going back tomorrow to view more documents, is that correct? You know, if I can just look at 40 documents 00:10:53.880 --> 00:11:02.470 and find six men, I'm going to go back and look at more of these millions of documents. Congressman Thomas Massie, please give us updated on what you see. Thanks, Caitlan. Thanks for your time 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:05.040 tonight.