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WE KNOCKED HIM OUT. WE KNOCKED OUT EVERYBODY. >> AND JOINING ME NOW IS REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN THOMAS

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SIE OF KENTUCKY. CONGRESSMAN MASSIE, WELCOME BACK TO "MEET THE PRESS." >> THANKS, KRISTEN. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

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I DO WANT TO GET TO YOUR RACE IN JUST A MOMENT, BUT I HAVE TO START WITH THAT DEVELOPING NEWS ON IRAN.

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PRESIDENT TRUMP POSTING ON SATURDAY THAT AN AGREEMENT WITH IRAN HAS, QUOTE, LARGELY BEEN EGOTIATED.

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IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT EXACTLY HAS BEEN AGREED TO, WHETHER ANY DEAL WOULD DIRECTLY ADDRESS THE ISSUE

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OF THE NUCLEAR PROGRAM, WHICH, OF COURSE, IS AT THE CENTER OF THE WAR WITH IRAN. SO FAR NO FINAL DEAL HAS BEEN

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ANNOUNCED, BUT, CONGRESSMAN, WOULD YOU SUPPORT A SHORT-TERM DEAL WITH IRAN?

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>> WELL, I WAS THE AUTHOR OF THE FIRST WAR POWERS RESOLUTION TO GET US OUT OF IRAN.

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MY CONSTITUENTS ARE HURTING, GAS IS ALMOST $5 A GALLON, DIESEL IS ALMOST $6 A GALLON AND THE FARMERS HERE IN KENTUCKY CAN'T

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AFFORD THE FERTILIZER TO PUT ON THEIR FIELDS. HECK YES, I WOULD SUPPORT IT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TERMS OF IT ARE, BUT IF LINDSEY GRAHAM

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AND TED CRUZ ARE CRASHING OUT LAST NIGHT I'D SAY IT'S PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD DEAL. >> ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S TURN TO THE BIG

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NEWS, THE REASON WHY YOU ARE HERE. YOU DID LOSE YOUR BID FOR EELECTION THIS PAST TUESDAY

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AFTER SERVING SEVEN TERMS IN CONGRESS. WHY DO YOU THINK YOU LOST THIS RACE, CONGRESSMAN?

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>> WELL, LISTEN, SINCE THE DAY I GOT TO WASHINGTON, D.C. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS JOB LIKE I THOUGHT PEOPLE WANTED YOU TO DO IT.

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I READ THE BILLS, I DIDN'T GIVE ME VOTING CARD TO THE SPEAKER, I HAVE NEVER GIVEN IT TO A PRESIDENT. I DON'T EVEN GIVE ME VOTING CARD

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TO THE FREEDOM CAUCUS. I VOTE FOR PEOPLE OVER PARTY, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT MEANS 10% OF THE TIME I VOTE AGAINST THE PARTY.

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I'VE EXPOSED A LOT OF THINGS IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THE CRONYISM. I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW -- AND

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ALSO BANKRUPTING OUR COUNTRY, WHETHER IT'S REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS. I POINT OUT HOW THEY'RE BANKRUPTING OUR COUNTRY AND HOW

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THESE ARE ALL FAKE FIGHTS. THEY LOVE TO DIVIDE US. I THINK THE BIGGEST CRIME I COMMITTED AGAINST THE SWAMP,

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KRISTEN, WAS SHOWING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT SOMEBODY ON THE RIGHT COULD JOIN SOMEBODY ON THE LEFT AND GET SOMETHING DONE,

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WHICH IS RELEASING THE EPSTEIN FILES THAT EVERYBODY KNEW NEEDED TO BE DONE. THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY BILL

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THAT'S PASSED WASHINGTON, D.C. IN THE LAST TEN YEARS THAT LOBBYISTS HAVEN'T WRITTEN. IT WAS WRITTEN BY ME AND RO KHANNA AND WE USED THE PRESSURE

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OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO CROSS THE AISLE AND GET THINGS DONE. THAT'S WHEN THEY DECIDED I HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT.

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THAT I WAS BECOMING EFFECTIVE. SO THEY WANTED TO ELIMINATE ME. AND, BY THE WAY, THEY COULDN'T BUY MY VOTE IN 14 YEARS SO THEY

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BOUGHT THIS SEAT. THIS WAS THE MOST EXPENSIVE RACE IN CONGRESSIONAL PRIMARY HISTORY AND AT THE END OF THIS RACE WE

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RE SPENDING MORE PER DAY, MY SIDE AND THE OPPOSING SIDE, WE RE SPENDING MORE PER DAY THAN MOST ENTIRE CONGRESSIONAL RACES

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ARE SPENT FOR THE ENTIRE CYCLE. >> WOW. IT'S JUST EXTRAORDINARY TO PUT

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IT INTO THAT CONTEXT. YOU REFERENCE THE EPSTEIN FILES,

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THE FACT THAT YOU AND CONGRESSMAN KHANNA WHO I WILL BE SPEAKING WITH NEXT PUSHED TO

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HAVE THOSE FILES RELEASED. YOU ALSO VOTED AGAINST THE SO-CALLED BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL, YOU WERE OPPOSED TO THE IRAN WAR AS YOU JUST STATED.

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CONGRESSMAN MASSIE, WAS IT ALL WORTH IT? >> IT WAS ABSOLUTELY WORTH IT FOR ME. NOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO

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BE WORTH IT FOR THE PARTY. LOOK, THE LEFT -- SOME PEOPLE ON THE LEFT HAVE TRUMP DERANGEMENT

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SYNDROME, THEY CALL IT TDS, BUT HERE'S A GROWING NUMBER ON THE RIGHT WHO HAVE A FORM OF TDS

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CALLED TRUMP DISAPPOINTMENT SYNDROME. I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PARTY THIS FALL IS

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THEY'VE DISENFRANCHISED A LARGE PORTION OF THAT CONSTITUENCY THAT TRUMP ASSEMBLED TO GET US

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IN THE WHITE HOUSE, THE SENATE MAJORITY AND HOUSE MAJORITY. THEY'VE ALIENATED BY KOWTOWING TO THE PESTICIDE AND

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PHARMACEUTICAL MANUFACTURERS. THEY'VE ALIENATED THE FISCAL

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HAWKS BY RUNNING DOGE OUT OF TOWN. SO I'M WORRIED THAT IN NOVEMBER THIS IS GOING TO COST THE PARTY A LOT. BUT FOR ME IT WAS COMPLETELY

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WORTH IT AND I'VE GOT SEVEN MORE MONTHS TO KEEP GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN, WHICH MEANS VOTING FOR PRINCIPLES AND FOR PEOPLE OVER PARTY.

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>> LET ME ASK YOU BIG PICTURE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SAID THAT YOU VOTE WITH REPUBLICANS MORE THAN 90% OF THE TIME, YOU SPLIT WHEN

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YOU THINK IT BETTER SERVES YOUR CONSTITUENTS. ONE OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS TOLD A LOCAL REPORTER THIS, QUOTE, I JUST GOT TO THE POINT WHERE I

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COULDN'T SUPPORT HIM ANYMORE. I SAW MASSIE AS ALMOST WHAT THEY WOULD POPULARLY CALL A RINO,

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REPUBLICAN IN NAME ONLY. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT VOTER AND OTHERS OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS

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WHO MIGHT AGREE WITH HIM? >> WELL, THEY SPENT AT LEAST $20 MILLION, MAYBE $25 MILLION

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AGAINST ME AND WHAT THEY DID IS THEY EXPANDED THE POOL OF VOTERS. THERE WERE A LOT OF MISINFORMED, UNINFORMED VOTERS.

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IN FACT, MY DAUGHTER, WHO LIVES OUTSIDE OF MY CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, SHE HEARD SOMEBODY IN THE VOTING BOOTH NEXT TO HER TRYING TO FIND MY OPPONENT'S

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NAME ON THE BALLOT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WASN'T HIS CONGRESSMAN. THAT'S HOW MUCH THEY BAMBOOZLED

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THE PEOPLE HERE IN KENTUCKY. THEY USED ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE TO CREATE A VIDEO, LIFE-LIKE VIDEO, THAT SHOWED ME

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CHECKING INTO A HOTEL ROOM WITH AOC AND ILHAN OMAR AND HOLDING HANDS WITH THEM. IT WAS ACTUALLY VERY EFFECTIVE ON THE BOOMERS.

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BUT HERE IS THE THING, KRISTEN, THAT'S ONLY GOING TO WORK FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER. THE BOOMERS ARE GOING TO, YOU

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KNOW, LEAVE THIS COUNTRY TO THE GEN X AND GEN Z AND GEN Y AND THE MILLENNIALS AND THOSE FOLKS ARE THE ONES THAT I WANT

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OVERWHELMINGLY. THAT MAKES ME HOPEFUL FOR THIS COUNTRY. THEY DON'T GET FOOLED BY ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND THEY CHECK THE NEWS. THEY GET NEWS SOURCES LIKE FROM

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PODCASTS AND OTHER SOURCES. SO THEY WON THIS RACE BY FOOLING MY VOTERS AND EXPANDING THE BASE OF PEOPLE WHO VOTE TO THE

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UNINFORMED VOTERS, BUT, LOOK, I'VE GOT 45% OF THE VOTE IN SPITE OF THIS TREMENDOUS HEADWIND.

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THAT MEANS 45% OF THE PARTY STILL BELIEVE IN THE IDEALS THAT I BELIEVE IN AND HAVE ESPOUSED IN WASHINGTON, D.C. >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT

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SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID IN YOUR SPEECH ON TUESDAY NIGHT. YOU SAID, QUOTE, IF THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH ALWAYS VOTES

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WITH THE PRESIDENT, WE DO HAVE A KING. DO YOU BELIEVE THERE IS STILL

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ROOM IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR EPUBLICANS WHO VOTE INDEPENDENTLY?

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>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT, EVEN THE FREEDOM CAUCUS HAS CAVED AT THIS POINT. THEY USED TO -- BASICALLY THE FREEDOM CAUCUS WAS FORMED SO

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THAT 30 OR 40 REPUBLICANS WOULD HAVE SAFETY IN NUMBERS. THEY HAVE NO SAFETY IN NUMBERS NOW.

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THE PRINCIPAL ONES ARE RUNNING FOR STATEWIDE OFFICE, THEY'RE GETTING OUT OF CONGRESS. I THINK THERE IS ROOM, THOUGH, YOU'VE JUST GOT TO GO UP THERE

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AND VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE. I HAVE INSPIRED A WHOLE GENERATION OF STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND CITY

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COUNCILMEN WHO ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE. THEY SEND ME DIRECT MESSAGES, SEND ME EMAILS, THEY'VE BEEN INSPIRED. I DO BELIEVE THERE'S ROOM IN THE

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PARTY, MAYBE NOT IN WASHINGTON RIGHT NOW, BUT THE NEXT WAVE THAT'S COMING UP, THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR PEOPLE OVER PARTIES. >> WELL, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT

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SOME OF THE ISSUES NOW, CONGRESSMAN. AS YOU KNOW, THIS WEEK WE DID SEE REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS ACTUALLY REJECT SOME OF

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PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PRIORITIES, REFUSING TO VOTE ON FUNDING FOR BOTH HIS BALLROOM AND THAT $1.8 BILLION SO-CALLED

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ANTI-WEAPONIZATION FUND. SOME OF THE STRONGEST OPPOSITION, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, REPUBLICANS, TO

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PRESIDENT TRUMP TO DATE. DO YOU THINK THAT THE PARTY IS BEGINNING TO BREAK WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP?

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>> WELL, LISTEN, THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR OWN POLITICAL MORTALITY. IT'S TRUE YOU CAN TAKE OUT REPUBLICANS IN PRIMARIES, BUT

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REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO BE VERY VULNERABLE THIS FALL. THE BALLROOM, I MEAN, THAT IS

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UCH AN EGREGIOUS WASTE OF MONEY. WE WERE TOLD IT WOULD BE FUNDED WITH PRIVATE MONEY INITIALLY.

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I LIKE TO JOKE THAT MIRIAM AIDEL SON SPENT SO MUCH MONEY IN MY RACE THEY HAVE TO ASK FOR

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TAXPAYER MONEY FOR THE BALLROOM NOW. I THINK IT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE OF AMERICANS. THE PRESIDENT WAS BRAGGING ON

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THE ROMAN ARCHITECTURE WHEN, IN FACT, WE'RE OPERATING LIKE A ROMAN EMPIRE. WE'RE OVEREXTENDED OVERSEAS WITH

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OUR FOREIGN AID, WITH OUR FOREIGN BASES. WE'RE SPENDING MONEY THAT WE DON'T HAVE. THE GASOLINE AND RENT AND GROCERIES ARE SO HIGH THAT

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PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD IT. I DO THINK IT'S DANGEROUS TO INDULGE IN THESE THINGS LIKE A

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GOLD-PLATED BALLROOM IN WASHINGTON, D.C. WHILE AMERICANS ARE SUFFERING. >> LET ME ASK YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DEEPLY ABOUT THE

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ANTI-WEAPONIZATION FUND. THE PRESIDENT IS ASKING FOR $1.8 BILLION TO SUPPORT PEOPLE WHO HE SAYS HAVE BEEN UNFAIRLY TREATED

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UNDER THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. THIS WOULD INCLUDE JANUARY 6th RIOTERS. CONGRESSMAN, DO YOU SUPPORT

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AXPAYER DOLLARS GOING TO THOSE WHO ATTACKED POLICE AT THE CAPITOL AND ATTACKED THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6th?

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>> WELL, IF YOU ARE GOING TO CREATE A FUND IT HAS TO BE VOTED ON BY CONGRESS. THE PRESIDENT CAN'T DO THIS BY

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EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY. OUR FOUNDERS WOULD SAY NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. LISTEN, THOUGH, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN

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HARMED ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT. THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT, SECOND AMENDMENT, FOURTH AMENDMENT, FIFTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS HAVE BEEN

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VIOLATED AND I DO THINK THAT HEY SHOULD HAVE SOME RECOURSE. >> BUT WOULD YOU ALLOW GIVING MONEY -- WOULD YOU ALLOW GIVING

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MONEY TO THOSE WHO ATTACKED ON ASSAULTED POLICE OFFICERS? >> THE SOLUTION ISN'T TO HAND OUT MONEY.

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THE SOLUTION IS TO CHANGE THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY WHERE IF YOU HAVE BEEN HARMED THAT YOU GO BEFORE A COURT AND YOU HEAR BOTH

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SIDES OF THIS. YOU CAN ADJUDICATE THOSE THINGS ABOUT WHETHER THE PERSON DESERVES THE MONEY OR NOT, BUT HAT'S WHAT'S SO HARD IS IT'S SO

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HARD TO GO AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHETHER YOU ARE ON THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT. WE NEED TO CHANGE THE LAWS WHEN THEY INFRINGE ON YOUR FIRST

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AMENDMENT, FOR INSTANCE, OR YOUR FREEDOM TO TRAVEL OR FREEDOM NOT O BE VACCINATED. THAT YOU PUT IN LAWS WHERE THERE'S LIABILITY FOR THE PEOPLE

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THAT FORCE THAT, WHETHER IT'S PRIVATE OR GOVERNMENT. >> CONGRESSMAN, WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME. A COUPLE MORE HERE. I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE EPSTEIN FILES.

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AS YOU'VE NOTED, THE SPEECH AND EBATE CLAUSE ACTUALLY PROTECTS YOU FROM BEING PROSECUTED FOR WHATEVER YOU SAY ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE.

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YOU HAVE NAMED NAMES IN THE PSTEIN FILES IN THE PAST. CAN WE EXPECT YOU TO NAME MORE

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NAMES IN THE COMING WEEKS AND MONTHS? >> YES.

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TODD BLANCHE IS VIOLATING THE LAW. THERE'S STILL MILLIONS OF FILES THEY HAVEN'T RELEASED. WE KNOW FROM TALKING TO THE

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VICTIMS' LAWYERS THAT THEIR OWN 302 FORMS HAVEN'T BEEN RELEASED. WE KNOW THE FILES HAVE BEEN OVERREDACTED.

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I HAVE RELEASED AT LEAST THREE NAMES OF BILLIONAIRES WHO ARE IMPLICATED IN THIS. I DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET TO CONVICTIONS WITH TODD

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BLANCHE AT THE TOP AND WITH THE FBI DIRECTOR, KASH PATEL, AT THE TOP BECAUSE THEY HAVE

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FFECTIVELY BOTH PURGE ERRED THEMSELVES BY SAYING THERE'S NOBODY ELSE IN THE FILES.

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EACH MELANIA KNOWS THAT, BELIEVES JEFFREY EPSTEIN DIDN'T ACT ALONE. WHETHER I'M IN CONGRESS OR NOT HE EPSTEIN FILES TRANSPARENCY

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ACT IS A LAW AND IT GOES ON FOR YEARS. IF WE CAN'T GET THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THIS FBI DIRECTOR TO DO THE RIGHT THING THE NEXT ONES

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WHO TAKE THOSE SEATS ARE OBLIGATED BY LAW TO RELEASE THE FILES THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT RELEASING NOW. >> CONGRESSMAN, I WANT TO ASK

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ABOUT YOUR POLITICAL FUTURE. SOME OF YOUR SUPPORTERS WERE CHANTING PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT, AS YOU DELIVERED YOUR SPEECH ON TUESDAY NIGHT.

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ARE YOU CONSIDERING A RUN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2028? >> I WILL NOT RULE OUT ANYTHING

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AND RIGHT NOW I'M NOT GOING TO RULE IN ANYTHING. LOOK, I'VE SPENT THE LAST FIVE DAYS ON MY FARM WITH MY

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GRANDKIDS AND MY CATTLE AND MY PEACH TREES AND IT'S A PRETTY NICE LIFE. I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO SCREW THAT UP AGAIN.

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I'VE BEEN IN CONGRESS 14 YEARS FIGHTING. EVERY HOUR THAT PASSES I GET DECOMPRESSED A LITTLE BIT MORE.

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IT'S LIKE COMING UP FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN. I WILL TAKE SOME TIME AND DECIDE WHAT'S NEXT, BUT I THINK I WILL

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STAY ENGAGED IN SOME WAY OR SHAPE. MAYBE IT'S FROM THE OUTSIDE. I'VE BEEN EXPOSING WHAT'S GOING ON IN WASHINGTON, D.C. FOR YEARS

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AND I WILL KEEP DOING IT. >> CONGRESSMAN, I HEAR YOU NOT RULING A POTENTIAL RUN FOR PRESIDENT OUT.

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WOULD YOU RUN AS A REPUBLICAN? >> I WON'T RULE ANYTHING OUT.

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I WON'T RULE OUT A RUN FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONER. I USED TO BE THE COUNTY JUDGE XECUTIVE HERE, THAT WAS PROBABLY THE BEST JOB I EVER HAD IN POLITICS.

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I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS SHOW TO ACT LOCALLY AND TO RUN FOR LOCAL OFFICES. WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

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THERE'S 3,000 COUNTIES IN THIS COUNTRY. RUN FOR ONE OF THOSE OFFICES. WE'VE GOT TO CHANGE IT AT THE GRASSROOTS FIRST. >> ALL RIGHT.

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WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION, HOPEFULLY YOU WILL COME BACK AND SHARE IT HERE. CONGRESSMAN