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What's up? What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new [music] episode of Part of the Problem. A very, very special episode that I've been very excited about uh for a couple of weeks now. Very

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quickly before we start the show, a couple orders of business. Number one, tonight at 700 p.m. Eastern live, right before this show premieres on YouTube, I

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will be debating Alan Derswitz on the Iran War, uh hosted by Zero Hedge. I am very excited to see what he possibly is

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going to use uh what his defense will possibly be at this point of the war. So that should be exciting. And the other big piece of information is that I will be very relevant to uh today's show. I

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will be coming to Kentucky. I will be that's my next stop is Louisville uh Kentucky September I believe it's 17th and 18th. ComicDavesmith.com

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uh for tickets there. They're up for sale now. So go grab those. All right. Speaking of Kentucky, today on the show we have the legend uh the greatest

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congressman uh serving today who is um I've I have not been shy about expressing my admiration for him. I'm so glad that he took some time to talk

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about everything that's going on today. Of course, the great Thomas Massie. How are you, sir? I am doing great. And I'm excited to come to you from my congressional office because in a few

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days they're going to kick me into the basement in a cubicle and repaint the walls for whoever's taking this office next. And I also want to congratulate

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you. You almost said Louisville right. You got to have like you almost got it right. You didn't call it Louisville or Lewisville, but there's got to be

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something stuck in your throat when you say it. Like you're Louisville. Louisville. >> Okay. I have been the the what you see there the is progress. It's a result of

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progress. Like I've been there. This is like my fourth time going and every time they correct me a little bit so I improve. Like I started with all those versions and then I got through it. I'm

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getting I'm circling it. I'm circling it. Okay. A couple more trips. By the end of this weekend I'm going to try to hang out enough that I leave there saying it the right way. I'm trying to try to absorb the local dialect. So,

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>> it is, you know, it's it's an amazing time that we're we're living through right now. You know, like as I mentioned, I have a debate tonight on the war in Iran. I've done a lot of

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these public debates over over the last few years. I I'm the internet. This is kind of the new thing. I I this is one of the first ones where I've ever been

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going into it and I'm like, I don't even understand what is the possible defense here. You know, I got in an argument with uh the producer of the Steven Crowder show uh the other day on on

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yesterday on Twitter, and he was saying to me, "Oh, Dave, you're wrong to say that Donald Trump broke a campaign promise." You know, he had always said

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Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons. And I was like, "Yeah, but you're kind of leaving out the part where they explicitly ran on no new wars and every

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single surrogate said there would be no new wars." And in fact, top surrogates said, "Don't vote for Camala Harris because you might get war in Iran as

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Trump himself had warned with Obama." You know, so anyway, from your perspective as somebody who was correctly at this point undeniably against the 12-day war, against this war

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uh that that we now find ourselves in just this disaster. What's it like to be in this moment where you're go? It's like it's almost like exactly guys and

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this is why we warned you and look where we are, >> man. Uh, I would love to be in on that debate. I'm not inviting myself, but I want to give you a few a few things. U

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well, first of all, with the 12-day war, the be, you know, the one that was just a light touch in the beginning. I actually wrote a war powers resolution

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to stop that one, but um they didn't bring it up. We couldn't bring it up in that period of time. So, when he did the second war, they just used the one that

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I had written for the first one uh because it was already in the hopper and it had already matured. Look, there's something called the 1973,

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I think it is, uh, might be 74 war powers resolution or war powers act. It was actually meant to him in the president. Now they use it to say, "Oh,

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this gives us extra authority to start a war without Congress." But you it has to be an emergency with like America in jeopardy before you can exercise that

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clause of the 1973 war powers resolution. Um but there's also a section 5B and 5C of that act that was

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passed. By the way, Nixon here here's how you know it was meant to him and the president. Nixon vetoed it and they overrode his veto. I think that's the

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history on it. He certainly didn't want it because he didn't feel like it was giving the president more authority. It was supposed to give them less authority. >> Well, there's two sections in there. One

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of them they argue is constitutionally dead now in light of a 1983 INS versus Chada decision at the Supreme Court where they say you can't have a

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legislative veto. But they the Supreme Court has never ruled on this 1973 War Powers Act. And here's so there's two

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sections in there. One of which the White House is claiming is unconstitutional. It's on the books. It's a law, but they're not going to follow it because they don't think they

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have to follow it. And that's the one that says if the House and the Senate pass a concurrent resolution that says get out of this military action or war

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or you know, whatever you want to call it, then the president has to withdraw. We did that and the f it's the first time in history the House and the Senate have passed the same exact language. So

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it qualifies under that law as a concurrent resolution that's supposed to bind the White House. They're supposed to withdraw right now. So they've

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violated that, but they're saying they don't have to obey the law because they think it's unconstitutional ever, even though it's never been ruled unconstitutional. Now, there's another provision of that law. One of these is

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5B. The other is 5C, that says you can only go 90 days. So let's say you're exercising the authority under that law that says if America is in danger,

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imminent threat of danger to America, you can go 60 days in a military action, by the way, without a uh congressional

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authorization in the Gulf War, which was the first war in Iraq, in the war in Afghanistan, and

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in the second war in Iraq. In all three instances, the president came to Congress and got authorization for that.

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It wasn't a full uh you know declaration of war, but it was an authorization that for all intents and purposes satisfied that law. So that those administrations,

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although they were ill ill advised and and wantless and and reckless, they did get authority from Congress. The president's not done that in this case.

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So, he had 60 days to to do his thing and then um there's a 30-day grace period. So, there's 90 days. Well, what

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happened on the 91st day? They said, "Oh, war is this war is over. We are done. We won." Uh and then it wasn't

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until like the 92nd day they started another war and and now every time they hit Iran, they say it's a different war.

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So, uh, the president may actually be right when he says we've won 12 times because he started 12 wars according to their legal theory. U, but here's what

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that tells me. The they're and by the way, they had um casualty statistics that they had to revise down. They were attributing to the Iran war, I suspect.

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And you we went from like 14 casualties to 18 casualties. My my numbers aren't, you know, deaths. My numbers aren't exactly right probably, but they they

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rolled the number back down because they said, "Whoops, if we count all these casualties toward that initial war, we're admitting that this is one

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continuous war." And by the way, the president isn't using these legal terms of art. He knows it's all one big giant war, >> but his lawyers know they're in trouble.

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they're in front of their skis u and they're legally in legal peril because they are acknowledging the validity of

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this law and then they are using lawyer speak to to try to get around it. So those are a couple things I would say about this war from a legal standpoint.

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>> Yeah. No, no question. And would you say cuz wasn't it really it's like I'm I agree with everything you just said and then I think also like clearly by the

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spirit of the law I mean the law of the land is the constitution and the congress is supposed to declare war and certainly when when it's wars that are so obviously wars of choice these are

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wars that you would need congressional by any even a liberal reading of the constitution but to your point there is still a big difference between at least George W. Bush came and got some type of

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of approval from Congress, but really it was Obama, I think, who started the trend of like no essentially Obama said, I'm just going to use the approval that

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Bush got and say that that also applies to not only me continuing the war in Iraq, which if you actually read the the AUMF, it was against Saddam Hussein's

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government in Iraq. So like it didn't make any sense that we could still use that to continue. But he used that to justify backing al-Qaeda in Libya and backing al-Qaeda in Syria and all these

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things. And so I guess by the time we got to Donald Trump, you know, Obama had already set the precedent of I could just go to war with Libya and announce

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it from out of the country via email or whatever. like it doesn't it and so by the time we got to Trump he just decided there's no we're there's no even

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pretense of the skeleton of a constitutional republican framework where you just live under emperor wars the king can go whenever he wants

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>> correct this path has is well trodden over our constitution but I would also point this out I was in Congress in 2013

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when Obama and John Kerry said that Bashar al-Assad crossed the red line and we were going going to go to war with Syria. We were going to deploy troops

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there and attack them like, you know, like we're doing in Iran now. And um Obama, I'm not I don't want to give him credit here, maybe it's just because he

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wanted to put Congress on the spot, but he said, "I'm going to Congress to get an authorization to use military force in Syria." And uh that was in the

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summer. I remember this very clearly because I got a hundred calls a day. It's the most phone calls I've ever gotten in my congressional office before or since per day from actual

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constituents. Not wow people on the left coast that you know love to call my office or people from New York. A 100 constituents a day were calling saying

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don't go to this don't authorize this war in Syria. And quietly John Boehner and Nancy Pelosi just withdrew that um

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that measure from consideration and we never voted on it. Now, here's why Obama doesn't get any credit for being constitutional. They went and spent a

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billion dollars on a secret war in Syria. Okay? According I got to say this, according to the New York Times.

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Yeah. Well, there's been Look, um there's there's been a a bunch of work um written by that uh they actually just at the Libertarian Institute um if

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anyone wants to check that out, they just published a book this last year about uh blanking on the name. Oh, I'm so sorry. Sorry, I'm blanking on the name, but uh they just published Natalie, if you don't mind pulling that

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up. There's the the Libertarian Institute. Uh they just published a Bush on the the origins of the the Syrian war. I read it last year was fantastic.

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But on the the CIA backing, what you're talking about when Obama started putting a billion dollars a year in at the beginning to back the anti-Assad rebels, which they found out very quickly and

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knew who the anti-Assad rebels were. It didn't take a genius to find out who the radical Sunnis over in that region were, >> right? And u and by the way at the time

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I went on CNN and had the audacity to challenge this narrative that Assad was using chemical weapons on his own people that the CNN anchor I think it was Kate

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Bald Bodan Baldwin or something was a ghast. you could go back and find the look on her face when I said, "No, I don't believe he used chemical weapons

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on his own people because that is the one thing that would justify us getting into that war and he doesn't want us in the war. I think it's a false flag or

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just a madeup allegation." And by the way, there was an MIT professor who said the same thing. You know, they're showing you rain barrels and saying

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these are rocket holes and things like that. Um and people, you know, there were co carbon uh dioxide and high

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concentrations that other things that could have caused the illnesses and some deaths that happened there. Anyways, I think I was I was later proven to be

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right, but nobody, you know, just quietly they went on. >> That's right. That's right. No, I remember it very well. And it made no sense at all at the time because Donald

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Trump had already announced that we were going to withdraw troops from Syria. the civil war was was coming to an end. So essentially Bashar al-Assad had been

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fighting for his life to not go down like Marar Gaddafi for years and years and years and had conducted a very bloody civil war. I mean he was certainly guilty of war crimes as well.

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Um but conducted this huge effort to save his own life and then when he's won he would do the one thing that would guarantee that the Americans wouldn't

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leave. It just made no sense. And then of course after you came out and took that stand, there were a couple whistleblowers at the OPCW who came out and said, "Yep, they suppressed a bunch of information that made it look like

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this was a chemical attack launched by by Bashar al-Assad. It was in a rebel controlled area." And there was lots of evidence to suggest that it it wasn't a

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an attack from the sky. So it just didn't add up. Aaron Mate uh over at uh The Nation did some excellent um reporting on this. Highly recommend that. So yeah, it's always always be

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skeptical when they come up with this this scenario that goes, "Wait, really? So you're telling me that they did the one thing that would be completely only

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talking about the AUMFs, the other crazy thing that's happened that people just kind of went on and ignored, the most expensive, lavish, biggest US embassy on

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the planet is in Iraq. And it's because they they knew if they planted that there we would never leave

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because then you would have the images of it being overrun by you know >> right >> rebels or or whatever savages you know

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overtaking a US embassy with the flag being burned and taken down. So they planted the biggest most expensive embassy US embassy in the world in Iraq

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as a sign that we're never leaving. And then they use the Iraq AUMF to kill Solommani and say that well there's a war in Iraq and this AUMF covers that

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even though we're killing somebody from another country. >> Yeah. That's right. That's right. As we got to and and even I mean just the fact

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that we got to kill the we we overthrew Saddam Hussein the Sunni Ba'ist and and put into power the the Shiite militias

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who were most closely linked with Iran. we handed Baghdad to Thran and then we sit here and go, well, that's why we have to kill the leader of this uh uh

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Shiite militia or whatever the the the Iranian general. Um I wanted to so another piece of information that I found uh kind of interesting. So, of

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course, uh famously you when you uh um were well, let's just say unseated by the Israel lobby uh in your congressional district, a district that

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you had won over and over and over again with widewide majorities. And in fact, even I had looked back over the numbers recently, even in 2020 when you

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committed the heinous crime of being good on the ridiculous spending bills uh that led to so much of the price inflation that has just destroyed

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American families over the last 5 years. Uh there was one congressman, I'm sorry, let the record show, there was one congressman who stood up and demanded a vote and railed against this and said,

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"This is this is insane." while the president was bragging about how it's the biggest bill ever. But Donald Trump turned over on you over this in 2020. Sent his supporters to attack you.

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Attacked you in very vicious ways. You won your primary with 82%. >> Yeah. Vote that year. 81%. Excuse me. >> 81%. Um and he said I should be thrown

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out of the GOP. Um yeah, you know, and it was a serious opponent like you know, he checked the boxes. Um he wasn't like

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some gadfly. Uh he was actually the attorney for uh Nicholas Sandman who was somewhat of a celebrity and a hero in my

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district. Uh he was the one who, you know, was on a prolife protester who had the Native American banging the drum in

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his face and he sat there without responding. Anyways, yeah, this that was a livefire exercise and I got 81%. And by the way, a year before I lost this

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this primary here in Kentucky, my fave unfaved, we poll these things, right? Was 6212. Okay, that means if you say, are you

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very favorable, somewhat favorable, and add those two numbers and say, are are you somewhat unfavorable or very unfavorable, add those two numbers, the

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the ratio of those two added numbers was 62 to 12 in the district. >> Yeah. And uh which my pollsters are like, "Oh my gosh, we've we we don't see

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these kind of numbers anywhere in any district." And then um what happened is for nine months. So they started I believe in June June almost a full year

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before the primary, they started running negative ads nonstop, like $2 million of ads 10 months before my primary. And

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obviously I didn't have the money. Normally I have about $200,000 in my campaign account. You know, that's by war chest. So I have like $200,000 in my

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campaign account. They didn't even have an opponent to run against me. There was nobody filed. And it was the Israeli lobby. It was Miriam Adon's money. They

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started spending it 10 months, >> maybe 11 months before my primary. And as we pulled, we watched my fave unfave

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go just go down down down until it flipped. You know, when you're when you're in the incumbent and you go underwater and that was their whole goal, just to like open up with the

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beltfed machine gun of lies and keep, you know, suppressive fire because you can't do that overnight either. You can't pounce on somebody six weeks

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before the election and change the outcome. And so it was concerted effort, but that's okay. You know, um I've said

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this privately, I'll say it for the first time here, I think, publicly. Uh you know, I'm a widowerower. Uh I was married to my high school sweetheart for

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31 years. We were together 33 years. And um she's in heaven. And you know, she she built superconductors in high

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school, right, on her farm. She could do differential equations. If if there's anybody God lets advise uh on outcomes

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on earth when they get to heaven, I think it would be my wife. And I'm convinced she was instrumental in getting me out of Congress because it's the best thing for my soul. So, I have

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no animosity toward the the liars and the cheats and the people who spent $30 million their money to take me out. I think they were just her tools to save

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me from this. Because look Dave, I'm a I'm a focused I'm like a you know I'm an engineer by training. I have attention

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focused disorder. I will focus on problems and keep working on them way past the time when you know most people would give up. I would be up here

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stroking out like McConnell in 20 years if they hadn't beat me. >> I've been sir I've been informed he's absolutely fine and I see no reason not

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to I see no reason to suspect that uh they would be hiding anything. Well, that's >> by the way, he's he's inspired a term limit bill that I may introduce before I

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leave. I'm going to call it three strokes and you're out. [laughter] >> Federman's on deck. >> That's not That's not bad. Federman's on deck. You got one left, buddy. You're

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pushing it. Well, listen, that's a very beautiful thought. I just it kind of made me feel bad because I was like I think maybe your wife is in heaven and she's trying to be your guardian angel

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and get you out of Congress and then me and everybody I know are just trying to get you to do something even harder in uh another year. I apologize for that.

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We're trying to >> She knew that would happen. She knew that would happen. She knew I would fight my guts out too to stay here which I did. I did everything I could. Look

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>> No, you did. Well, look, I will say one of the things, first of all, I really appreciate it, even in the spirit of what you just said right there. I I want I I I said this publicly on the show. I

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said this privately to a lot of people that there was something I really just loved about the spirit of your speech that you gave after it. It was like I think you Yeah, you did fight hard. You

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accepted what happened. And I think part of what there was something kind of beautiful about it. And one of the things that was beautiful, it's like these things in life. It's kind of a

00:23:21.679 --> 00:23:31.510
double-edged sword. It it definitely stung that they were able to do that. Um it it hurt to find out some some kind of painful truths which is that hey man

00:23:31.520 --> 00:23:41.110
there still are a lot of boomers you know in in a lot of these districts. They still are only getting their news from Fox News. They are hearing from Mark Leavvin and they're simply not

00:23:41.120 --> 00:23:50.870
hearing the other side of the the the story and everyone who does hear the other side of the story gets convinced by that. But one of the things but so it was like okay that kind of sucks. It

00:23:50.880 --> 00:24:00.070
turns out money still matters. The the Israel lobby pumping in 30 plus million dollars and Fox News having a blackout like the Murdoch and the that they all

00:24:00.080 --> 00:24:09.430
still have some power. >> Yeah. >> But man, when you look at the numbers of the breakdown by age like this was it

00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:19.350
was unbelievable to see it had it literally I'm not exaggerating when I say it only worked on the boomers. It works on nobody younger than that. Now,

00:24:19.360 --> 00:24:27.830
because of that name, boomers, understand there are a lot of them. That is the main thing that kind of characterizes that generation. But what

00:24:27.840 --> 00:24:38.230
however you feel about it, there's becoming less and less of them of them over the over the years. And it was unbelievable, man. 50 and under, everybody's with you. 40 and under, it

00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:46.710
was like the numbers were like insane. And then 30 and under, it's like there I don't even think it registers on the It was like 90 plus%. And there was

00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:56.789
something about that to me, man, that was so like I don't care what side of the issue you're on. If you're telling me who would I rather take, everyone

00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:05.190
over 55 or everyone under 55, obviously if you're banking on the future, you want everybody under. And so that was

00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:13.909
just extremely encouraging to me and I'm sure it was for you, too. >> Yeah. I mean, the future is with us. Uh but it also, you know, I'm an inventor.

00:25:13.919 --> 00:25:22.710
Um, I've got 30 patents and this this election gave me an idea for another invention. Uh, the the boomers watch Fox in their living room and in their

00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:30.870
kitchen. I'm going to invent a CPAP machine that you can watch Fox on. U, and I'm telling you, I'll sell millions

00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:40.070
of them. [laughter] >> But then we got to get it like like maybe it'll break into like a podcast every now and then or something like that. I do say though, listen man,

00:25:40.080 --> 00:25:49.350
>> there I do say like I think this is something I try to tell the people. um out there. There there is a little bit of an obligation here on us where we got

00:25:49.360 --> 00:25:58.710
this new thing where like we have a new decentralized media where the we're outside of the propaganda machine. You got if you got a boomer in your life

00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:08.789
who's a good person, try to work on them if you can let them hear the other side of this because I'm telling you a lot of what this is is that people just, you

00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:18.230
know, if you only hear from say Mark Levin or something like that and he's telling you, hey, this Thomas Massie guy has lost his mind. You know how you used to like him? I know, but now he's become

00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:28.310
crazy and he's off on this. It's fairly easy for someone to just go like, oh wow, I didn't realize Thomas Massie. And then they see a clip out of context. then they see an AI generated video and

00:26:28.320 --> 00:26:38.549
they don't even understand what AI is. You know, I I was saying to um my mother-in-law, my wife's mother the other day. Um she's a boomer, you know, and I just used the term CGI about a

00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:46.789
movie and she went, "What's that?" >> And I went, "No, you know, CGI, like when it's fake in the movie, like what you see isn't really happening there. Forget AI." She had never even heard of

00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:55.830
the term CGI. They're they just are unaware of this stuff. You know, >> when when you say you're using AI in rural Kentucky, it means you're

00:26:55.840 --> 00:27:07.510
artificially inciminating your cows. [laughter] Like that's what AI means in rural Kentucky. And so when you when you throw up the words AI or even the whole word,

00:27:07.520 --> 00:27:15.830
you know, artificial intelligence, that could also be the name of the super PAC, it's like in the same font. >> And I I had

00:27:15.840 --> 00:27:24.710
>> older people come up to me at my rallies. These were supporters and they said, "I don't care if you went on a date with AOC and Ilhan Omar. You've got

00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:33.909
the most conservative voting record. I'm still going to vote for you, but it really bothers my neighbor." And I I've this I literally had a woman tell me

00:27:33.919 --> 00:27:42.549
that. I was like, "Ma'am, the commercials are not real." And she looked at me like, "Really? How did they how did they get that video of you

00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:51.350
checking into the hotel with them and go and at the restaurants?" And I'm like, I try to explain it to her and she says, "Wow, >> well, now I'll go tell my neighbor

00:27:51.360 --> 00:28:00.549
because she said she's not voting for you because she saw that video, but I was going to vote for you anyway." >> And you know, and >> that's when I knew

00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:09.510
>> it worked. I thought I honestly when I saw it, I thought it would backfire. I thought this is so ridiculous >> that it will. >> It makes me angry. It makes me angry

00:28:09.520 --> 00:28:19.110
because keep in mind it and I hope everyone keeps in mind it's not that lady's fault. Like that's not on her. It's on them and being manipulative. Like, it's not a reasonable expectation

00:28:19.120 --> 00:28:28.070
to, and believe me, I give the boomers a lot of crap as a generation, but it is an unreasonable expectation that like a 73year-old is supposed to figure out

00:28:28.080 --> 00:28:38.070
that, oh, wait, you can generate images now that look just lifelike and look like like there's it is a totally reasonable expectation that if I saw a picture of someone in a political ad,

00:28:38.080 --> 00:28:47.510
that that's a real picture. They wouldn't be allowed to show that to me if it wasn't a real p. like there. It's just Anyway, it's it's something to keep in mind that Oh, no. Bless you. It's

00:28:47.520 --> 00:28:56.710
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00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:37.190
into the show. >> To clear the air and and I I swear I swear this is true. I really did this. Um I went to AOC and and asked if she

00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:47.110
had seen the video and she laughed and said yes. And I said, I just want you to know I would never go on a three-way date with Ilhan Omar. [laughter]

00:30:47.120 --> 00:30:55.350
>> That's the That's the limit. >> Yeah. And and she thought it was funny. So, I'm not being censured today in Congress. She She laughed. >> Okay. Very good. Very good. She laughed.

00:30:55.360 --> 00:31:04.470
It's a risky It's a risky move making a joke with AOC, sir. You never know. But if she likes it, if she laughs, then it's good. But if not, then you're a me too something predator. Um, so that's

00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:12.950
that's good to know. So, I wanted um I'm sorry, there's one more um point I wanted to make on the uh the Iran stuff before moving on. Um it's whatever.

00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:22.389
Let's let's move on to Epstein a little bit here. So, I want to talk about the Epstein uh files part two. the Epstein Files Transparency Act 2 and uh maybe

00:31:22.399 --> 00:31:31.430
even a bit about the uh the first one. Let let me start here knowing as you do know very well that

00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:40.310
the Dow Jones is currently over 30,000. Why are you doing this, man? Like who cares about child sex trafficking when when you're environment now if we were

00:31:40.320 --> 00:31:48.870
at 29,000 I could understand this. And yet even even here >> I'm sorry I just saw that video was going viral again today. Great. One of

00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:57.190
the greatest testimonies of all time. Oh my god, it was just it led to so many glorious memes. >> I was there. I was in that hearing,

00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:06.870
right? She was in front of me when that all happened. I tried to ask her serious questions about when, you know, they had redacted Leslie Wexner's name and

00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:15.830
picture. And, you know, they protested, oh well, he appears, you know, several hundred times in the files and we didn't redact his name on purpose. I said,

00:32:15.840 --> 00:32:24.549
"Yes, but this is the FBI document that says he's a co-conspirator in a child sex trafficking case. That is the one place where you redacted his name." So,

00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:32.870
I asked Pam Bondi what I thought was an obvious question after I forced them to unredact it through public humiliation

00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:41.990
was um who redacted this? Like, they didn't take a five gallallon bucket of Sharpies and a bunch of interns and throw them in a room with a bunch of

00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:50.389
documents, right? This is all done on a computer by people who have limited access. They're tracking me when I go over to the DOJ. They've got a unique

00:32:50.399 --> 00:32:59.110
login for me. They know every one of those files I've looked at. They know every redaction I've tried to unredact while I'm over there. So, they know

00:32:59.120 --> 00:33:07.590
everybody who redacted everything. That would be the question. If Jim Jordan really cared about what is going on, we

00:33:07.600 --> 00:33:17.430
would have that answer tomorrow. Which person at DOJ redacted that? because it could be a lowest learner type. She's she's the one sort of famous middle

00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:27.350
management at IRS who targeted the Tea Party on the 501c3 applications and and claims to be a free agent, you know, that she was self-directed when she was

00:33:27.360 --> 00:33:36.070
doing these things. There could be somebody that's self-directed at DOJ who's doing nefarious things in there. Does nobody care?

00:33:36.080 --> 00:33:44.870
And and I know they track these things. So, anyways, I did ask Pam Bondi a serious question. Um, so let me talk about the first bill and the second

00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:53.750
bill. The first bill caused the release of three million files. Okay? And a lot of things are known that were not known

00:33:53.760 --> 00:34:03.269
and would if if I hadn't been here in Congress, it would have absolutely never happened. I'm not taking full credit.

00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:12.389
There were three brave women, Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Boowart, and Nancy Mace. All three of them have paid a huge price. Okay. Trump vetoed Lauren

00:34:12.399 --> 00:34:23.270
Boowbert's water bill, you know, that would bring water to arid parts of Colorado just out of spite, right, for that. Nancy Mace uh could have won her

00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:31.909
governor's race. She could have gotten possibly could have gotten the Trump endorsement. She for forewent that by co-signing this. And Marjorie Taylor

00:34:31.919 --> 00:34:41.750
Green's no longer in Congress. This was the breaking point for Trump. He was like, >> her family threatened >> her her kids. Yeah. And she and you know

00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:51.669
Trump wanted when he said you're no longer my supporters. He was also talking about his biggest supporter Marjorie Taylor Green. They all paid a

00:34:51.679 --> 00:35:00.150
tremendous price. But this would not happen. There would not be three million files. And it took so many miracles

00:35:00.160 --> 00:35:10.710
honestly for me to get this done for this to happen that it makes me more spiritual to uh the path that I took and

00:35:10.720 --> 00:35:18.870
the improbability at four or five points in that path uh where it was like a hundred to one and I won. It's like I

00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:28.470
won the lottery four times in a row on certain things that had to happen to get this done. So, I got it done. But, um, and then everybody's like Monday morning

00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:38.390
quarterbacking the bill and saying, "Well, you should have done this. You should have done that. You could have done this. Why didn't you give the standing to Congress or the victims or

00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:46.470
whatever?" I have two answers to that. Number one, we wrote the bill in one day. Okay? from from the moment at which

00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:55.750
I realized it was possible and and conceived of how I could get it done to when we got it in the hopper was less than 24 hours.

00:35:55.760 --> 00:36:04.390
>> And we did not consult anybody. Frankly, we did this all on our own here in my office. I tell people the

00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:14.550
Epstein Files Transparency Act is probably the only bill that's ever passed Congress without being touched by a lobbyist or one of the permanent staff

00:36:14.560 --> 00:36:24.069
here in Washington DC which I call the deep congress. Like we literally got this done wrote written and put in the hopper before anybody knew it was

00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:33.670
coming. And that was part of the element of of getting this done was the element of surprise um which I had to maintain. But I will and then so that's the first

00:36:33.680 --> 00:36:42.069
thing. We we didn't have a lot of time to write it. We wrote it all by oursel and boy it it actually worked pretty well. And then people say why didn't you

00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:51.270
do this or that or this? Well we we you know we threaded a needle on this thing. If it had been any more comprehensive,

00:36:51.280 --> 00:37:01.190
it might have gotten choked down at some point with some objection. You know, I had to get every Democrat to agree to this. And so, you know, and some of

00:37:01.200 --> 00:37:10.069
those Democrats are honestly neocon police state like, you know, when they're in the majority, they chair the

00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:19.030
intel committee, they chair the armed services committee. Th trust me, those people were worried about the Epstein files. those Democrats and I still got

00:37:19.040 --> 00:37:28.069
them to do it. So, it was I think the biggest thing we could do and still get it passed with all of these contingencies. All right. But here's

00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:36.470
what we've realized with the benefit of hindsight and also with the momentum on our side. I worked with the uh attorneys

00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:46.630
for the survivors. I worked with the attorney general from the state of New Mexico and other attorneys who have uh been involved in this case and cases

00:37:46.640 --> 00:37:55.910
like the these and we perfected the first bill. I never anticipated, by the way, that the the the chief law

00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:05.510
enforcement officer of the United States would not enforce a law that was passed by both chambers of Congress and signed by the president. But that's where we are. Pam Bonnie and Todd Blanch are not

00:38:05.520 --> 00:38:16.310
enforcing the law. So here's what we >> can I just just before I'm sorry to interrupt but before we go into the second one because I think that's really worth um accentuating for a little bit here. So we got three million documents

00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:24.470
of course there there are as you pointed out they're heavily redacted and we know at least has been confirmed redacted in inappropriate illegal ways at least a

00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:33.109
few times where they're not supposed to be. Um there's more details that you've done a lot of interviews on this where even when you go to the unredacted rooms there's redactions there. this but and

00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:41.670
and correct me if I'm wrong because this is my understanding of it that the law is very clear. There are like a couple of exceptions like um you can redact to

00:38:41.680 --> 00:38:50.950
protect victims and you can redact like for for national security or something like that, right? Um and now there's just 3 million more documents that

00:38:50.960 --> 00:39:01.589
they're simply not releasing that are completely in violation of the law. There's essentially no defense even like I haven't even seen an argument offered as to why it is legal for for them to

00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:11.829
keep that. Correct me if I'm wrong again. So they're just not showing us >> the other three million. >> So very very lowkey. They have actually

00:39:11.839 --> 00:39:21.910
>> they've covered their ass. Okay. Okay. >> They they would not tell you there were three million other documents if unless they thought not disclosing that might s

00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:31.510
get them in jail one day. Right. That's the only reason they're telling you they're only giving you three of the six million and they don't think you need the other three million, right? That and

00:39:31.520 --> 00:39:40.870
they and you're correct. For the most part, they haven't given any legal reason for withholding those with one exception. They have given a very

00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:50.470
strained legal reason for why they're withholding the documents we care about the most and the documents that they are required by law to release which are

00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:59.430
specifically called out in the first bill. Uh we say in the first bill, you have to release internal memos and emails and documents about your

00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:09.670
decisions whether to prosecute and whether to investigate because clearly they got on the trail sometimes and then just walked away from the trail.

00:40:09.680 --> 00:40:18.230
>> Clearly there were uh uh DAs in New York who were urging the DOJ to investigate

00:40:18.240 --> 00:40:28.470
to prosecute some people and they were not doing it. There were decisions made and that's at the heart of this. Why did they give Epstein such a light sentence

00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:37.030
the first time? Where are those documents? Somebody discussed that somewhere. We want those documents. Why did they not continue to pursue Leslie

00:40:37.040 --> 00:40:45.349
Wexner which they had or uh Grath uh Leslie Grath who was his, you know,

00:40:45.359 --> 00:40:55.030
right-hand woman, not a victim. Some of these victims were were caught up in the whole thing. And I'm not blaming them, but Leslie Grath was clearly one of

00:40:55.040 --> 00:41:04.870
these people who was just serving uh men up women on a menu from these so-called modeling agencies, right? She was in

00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:13.270
that pipeline making that happen. But why did and they had her listed as a co-conspirator on these documents. That's another one that they had

00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:24.150
redacted that we got unredacted. Okay. Why did Where was the decision to quit pursuing that? Now, here's they've made a low-key legal argument. It's like in a

00:41:24.160 --> 00:41:33.750
informal memo they sent to Congress, but twice I've seen them say this, and it's just they that's so they can go back and find it and cover their ass one day.

00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:43.750
They say these are protected by deliberative process privilege. Now, here's why that does not work. Deliberative process privilege is is a

00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:53.829
figment of the Freedom of Information Act that they came up with uh to deny you certain things. When you do a Freedom of Information request, you'll

00:41:53.839 --> 00:42:04.390
see some things redacted in your FOYO files and they'll have, you know, a section, a rule abbreviated. Well, it's deliberative process. What they claim is

00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:15.349
they don't have to give show you their uh their homework. They just got to give you the final exam and the and the result of it. They don't have to show their work. But we put in the bill that

00:42:15.359 --> 00:42:24.870
you have to show us these decisions. Okay? But we called it decisions, internal memos about decisions in the

00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:33.510
bill and they are say they're exerting deliberative process and they're saying deliberations are different from decisions. I don't

00:42:33.520 --> 00:42:42.390
know what their legal argument is that says they can assert that. I can tell you this though, it wouldn't stand up one minute in front of a judge. Like no

00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:52.069
judge there there, by the way, this is another concept of law that I hope everybody gets that a new law,

00:42:52.079 --> 00:43:02.470
it doesn't have to repeal the old law, right? We don't have to repeal deliberative process. We you could a new law overrides the old law in every

00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:13.190
instance where the new law applies, >> right? And that is the case with the Epstein files. If you have any doubt of that, three federal judges were asked by

00:43:13.200 --> 00:43:21.430
the DOJ. I think the DOJ was hoping for a different answer. But after Epstein Files Transparency Act passed and was signed into law, the DOJ went to the

00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:31.430
three federal courts and said, "Can you give us your material, your grand jury material, and and stuff like that, hoping that they would invoke, I think

00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:41.670
it's rule 6E, and say, no, you can't have that." All three judges in three, they went 0 for three. All three judges says, "Oh, as a matter of fact, the way

00:43:41.680 --> 00:43:51.109
law works is when a new law passes, it overrides the o old law." And so rule 6E no longer applies in the context of Epstein files and here's all the files

00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:59.349
and the the judges gave all those files to the DOJ and they had to release them. And so that that's so that's why I know

00:43:59.359 --> 00:44:10.309
this their their legal argument for withholding the documents we care about the most will fall flat. So uh and then that's also now we have to kind of that

00:44:10.319 --> 00:44:21.430
will be a good that would be a good pivot into the new law. >> Okay. Yeah. Sure. Well, look, I I'll just say this real quick on the old one before and then let's let's get to the new one. Um number one, I mean it is

00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:30.069
just it's hard to overstate. I don't know that there's ever been a political scandal that I've ever lived through that's looked worse than this. That

00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:38.309
that's just Now I'm even saying short of like it even with the 3 million documents that have been released, there's still so much that is a question

00:44:38.319 --> 00:44:47.430
mark. I mean there's so much in like when I say like look obviously they li the administration just lied over and over again. They lied about their promises to be transparent. Then they

00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:57.270
lied about what they actually had. than if you remember there's one point where Pam Bondi claims on camera that there's hundreds of hours of Jeffrey Ebstein.

00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:05.910
She said it was kitty porn and Jeffrey Ebstein himself with children. She made this claim once by the way. Um

00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:15.829
hold on tab that. Let me I got to insert this. She lied to my face in her office in front of Jim Jordan and every other

00:45:15.839 --> 00:45:25.430
Republican on the judiciary committee in front of Todd Blanch, Harit Dylan, Dan Bonino, who were all in the room. And this was the impetus when people say,

00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:36.069
"Why didn't you do this sooner?" Because I've never been lied to my face by the attorney general in such a blatant manner. Um, she told me they had a

00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:44.230
special dinner. I am on the judiciary committee. This is just another twist of fate. Why is a nerd from MIT, how does he get on the judiciary committee?

00:45:44.240 --> 00:45:53.030
Right? It's because there are gorillas up here in DC on K Street fighting about patents and I've got 30 patents and in

00:45:53.040 --> 00:46:06.150
the land of the blind, the oneeyed man is king. So even though I don't have a legal degree, I'm the only person in judiciary that knows what's up and down on patents. Right. So uh so that's like

00:46:06.160 --> 00:46:14.390
how I got on the judiciary. She said, "So, what did she say to you in that?" >> Yeah. I And by the way, I tried to clear it with Jim Jordan before I asked the

00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:22.870
question. On the way over, I I said, "Jim, uh I know this is like a getting to know you meeting and uh we're

00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:31.589
supposed to be nice in this meeting and it's just about making a personal connection with the DOJ since we have oversight of the DOJ in our committee.

00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:40.230
But I really want to ask this question about the Epstein files because she has released the binders and then she's

00:46:40.240 --> 00:46:50.950
there's nothing else and she's saying these and he and he said, "Um, Massie, you do you. I I know better than to try to tell you what to do." So, we get over

00:46:50.960 --> 00:47:00.230
there and we get done eating. It was a dinner meeting. They have their own china at the DOJ with a DOJ logo on the plate. So, you're literally eating off

00:47:00.240 --> 00:47:10.790
of a DOJ plate and there's a whole cadre of judiciary members and it's like, "Okay, it's question time." And I

00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:19.190
believe, if memory serves me correct, no, nobody else would say anything at that moment. So, I like asked the first question. I think it was the very first

00:47:19.200 --> 00:47:29.109
question. Um, and I said, you know, you released those binders and some files. When can we ex and you said there's more coming.

00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:39.430
when can we expect to see the rest? And she goes, "Oh my goodness, it's nothing but pornography and seam

00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:47.910
material and nobody would want to see it." And what do you say to that? No, show me the pornography, right? Like she

00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:59.349
obviously at that point I couldn't have a follow-up question. like, well, and but I walked away from that dinner thinking, mm- this is not true. She just

00:47:59.359 --> 00:48:07.510
lied to me. >> And that's the beauty of that lie is that it's the perfect lie to just go, "Oh, oh, it's all child porn." Because

00:48:07.520 --> 00:48:17.030
then it gets any normal person to go, "Oh, all right. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't show that to anyone then, man." It's like the one thing you could say that would be like, "Oh, okay, fine." Like yes, obviously you don't want to

00:48:17.040 --> 00:48:25.829
put that out there, but like so so this is one of the thing one of the things I would say that's been revealed from the the first Epstein Files Transparency

00:48:25.839 --> 00:48:35.829
Act. One of them is that they were hiding a ton of stuff that was not what Mike Johnson said will bring down the political order or was a threat to

00:48:35.839 --> 00:48:45.750
national security. It was simply stuff that looked really, really bad that we kind of still don't have answers to. stuff like his urologist emailing him,

00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:55.190
"Bring 9year-olds in grape soda." Huh? You know, like what what is one to do with that information other than speculate like about what the hell is

00:48:55.200 --> 00:49:03.910
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game. All right, let's get back into the show. >> Or um Howard Lutnik going taking his kids to Epstein Island for lunch after he had said to camera just weeks before

00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:53.910
he was a disgusting individual and I never had anything to do with him after the first meeting. Or Bill Gates >> li his >> Bill Gates slipping his wife antibiotic

00:50:53.920 --> 00:51:02.390
roofies to hide some, you know, disease he caught from prostitute somewhere. or at least Jeffrey Epstein claimed that

00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:11.270
and was using it in a draft email that he was maybe going to send to him. Like again, I'm trying my best here to be open to explanations, but what exactly

00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:20.790
is the explanation for that? Now, the other thing I got to say that I I thought, and this was look, if I'm just being completely honest here, the thing that I kind of had in my mind about

00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:29.589
Jeffrey Ebstein before you ever got these files released from what I had known of him was, I think essentially what a lot of people had. You were like, "Okay, I know some details about this.

00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:38.950
This seems really shady. It seems really shady that a guy happens to out of nowhere get hired by uh Bar's father who's an intelligence guy and he gets

00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:47.510
put at this elite school Dalton when he's really not credentialized for that. And then just a few years later, he's essentially like a partner at Bayer Sterns and then he's on his own. This

00:51:47.520 --> 00:51:56.390
seems very intelligency. You know, this doesn't seem organic." And then you have um the the of course what he he's convicted for soliciting prostitution

00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:04.710
from an underage uh uh um you know soliciting prostitution from a child uh however you want to dress that up. Um and so he's convicted of that. These

00:52:04.720 --> 00:52:14.230
powerful men he's in this nexus. They still hang out with him. I had heard that there were cameras on his property and I had heard the uh the alleged Aosta quote about how he's intelligence. And

00:52:14.240 --> 00:52:22.790
so in my mind, what this always seemed like, what I speculated, as a lot of people did, was like, "Oh, this seems almost like a MSAD blackmail ring where

00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:31.829
you're trapping people and then you're threatening them with dirt." And look, he's so clearly connected to Wexner and and Glain Maxwell's father is a MSAD

00:52:31.839 --> 00:52:40.309
guy. And so this just seemed to me to be the case, like, oh, he's running like a MSAD type operation. I got to say once I looked through the files it almost seems

00:52:40.319 --> 00:52:48.950
like something different that might be much bigger than that where I've got like now I've got Alex Derswitz, Les Wexner and him himself all claiming he's

00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:58.630
a representative of the Rothschilds who is like negotiating he's the guy who's connecting the former Israeli head of defense with Peter Teal and he's the guy

00:52:58.640 --> 00:53:07.990
who's connecting MSAD with the Russians and I'm just saying congressman you know when people will say guys like Ron Paul and you you never got anything done. You

00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:17.829
just sit there and say no. All you do is say the government shouldn't do this next terrible thing that they do that then turns into a catastrophe. But I got to say, you know, looking at the Epstein

00:53:17.839 --> 00:53:26.549
files, I think probably what you've done here is at least already given us more of a glimpse into how power actually works at the elite level. It's a little

00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:34.790
bit more than I was taught how a bill becomes a law. You know, it turns out there's a little bit more to it than that. And I I think all Americans should

00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:44.230
be indebted to you for revealing this. >> I don't think anybody has ever gotten a bill passed through both chambers with both leaders of both chambers and the

00:53:44.240 --> 00:53:53.109
president against the bill of their own party, right? Like it's a the path I chose is the hardest path. It to if

00:53:53.119 --> 00:54:02.549
you're a squish when you get here, they give you bills. You have no idea what they are and you get them passed and you go home and you look good. It was just something the deep state wanted. Anyway,

00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:11.510
u this is is highly irregular. But let me let me tell you on the intel thing that was that was my hunch and still is.

00:54:11.520 --> 00:54:21.190
But I introduced five or six documents into the record before we had the Epstein files when Cash Patel was sitting in front of me in a hearing in

00:54:21.200 --> 00:54:31.349
judiciary. Again, the fact that this nerd from MIT is able to ask Merrick Garland and Christopher Ray and Delbach

00:54:31.359 --> 00:54:40.870
and [clears throat] and Cash M Pat Mattel and Pam Bondi. They they ru the day. they ever let me on that committee because in five

00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:51.829
minutes I I can like show so many things like I did I showed a video to to Biden's attorney general of uh who was

00:54:51.839 --> 00:54:59.910
the guy saying go into the capital or whatever. Don't even say his name because then they'll Yeah. Anyway, >> Ray something. Yeah, Ray Essays. That's

00:54:59.920 --> 00:55:09.750
right. it look he was clearly fmenting violence there and he got off with the slap on the wrist or suddenly like there it's anyways I'm the one who showed the

00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:18.710
video to Merrick Garland and said how many agents or assets of the government were present on January 6th >> like but anyways it's a miracle that I'm

00:55:18.720 --> 00:55:27.349
in those comm that committee and I and I introduced into the record in front of Cash Patel five pieces of evidence in the public domain that showed that

00:55:27.359 --> 00:55:35.829
Jeffrey Epstein was likely MSAD and CIA. Look, he had meetings with Obama's CIA director.

00:55:35.839 --> 00:55:44.069
>> Like that was that was known already. >> So, >> yeah, that's that's highlevel connections, man. I mean, I've tried to

00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:53.270
get meetings with Obama's CIA director and I've never been able to, you know, it's like it's not that easy for just anybody to to pull these meetings off. >> By the way, I want to I hate to

00:55:53.280 --> 00:56:02.950
acknowledge the trolls on the internet, but this this one is for them. There's not one member of Congress on the Republican side that's done 1% of what

00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:11.990
I've done. And right now the impetus is the the onus I should say is on Trump's administration.

00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:21.190
Like just admit it. He has all of the redactions. He's got the other three million files. What? Don't blame the one dude. This is how I know they're trolls.

00:56:21.200 --> 00:56:30.789
They're blaming the one dude that got all this set into motion, right? And it's up to them now. And then as far like before we go to the second bill too

00:56:30.799 --> 00:56:40.390
as far as like reading the names there they say oh those names are already out there. Yeah they're in phone books. U are they in the Epstein files? Of course

00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:49.829
you would expect to see names in the Epstein files of perpetrators. When I read those names on the floor what I am telling you is I have other information

00:56:49.839 --> 00:56:59.109
that shows they are guilty. I have to protect my sources. Those people are guilty. They need to be, you know, I'll

00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:08.549
I'll hold out a 1% chance that they're not guilty because you're innocent until proven guilty in this country. So, you know, they that's why I say they need to

00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:17.349
be investigated and then prosecuted. But the DOJ is doing none of that. They're not doing any investigations on

00:57:17.359 --> 00:57:26.309
on these individuals. So, um yeah, we we knew those names. Go look in a phone book. You can find those names. my names in the Epstein files for trying to get

00:57:26.319 --> 00:57:34.710
the Epstein files released, right? uh there there is new information even though those names are findable there is

00:57:34.720 --> 00:57:45.510
there is new information conveyed and I'm doing so at risk to my health and life and well-being and financial well-being later in life to go out and

00:57:45.520 --> 00:57:54.069
call out these powerful people as being guilty and and uh worthy of investigation and prosecution.

00:57:54.079 --> 00:58:03.670
>> Yeah. No, absolutely. So now tell us about the part two bill and what is that going after? >> So part two is the bill I would have

00:58:03.680 --> 00:58:13.430
written with Roana and Terresa Ledger Fernandez is also a co-sponsor. She's from New Mexico. That's an important state in this story. That's where Zoro

00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:23.349
Ranch is. F team Files Transparency Act number two includes the things that if I had a crystal ball I would have included

00:58:23.359 --> 00:58:31.510
in the first one but I didn't anticipate. You can't know how everything's going to turn out. Um,

00:58:31.520 --> 00:58:40.390
number one, it allows the attorney general in the state of New Mexico to use Epstein files in a prosecution in

00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:50.069
state courts for state crimes for which the statute of limitations has not expired. And Zoro Ranch is as massive

00:58:50.079 --> 00:59:01.430
and expansive and is involved in the whole Epstein saga as as much or more so than Epstein Island. Okay. Uh it's got

00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:12.470
an airirstrip. Uh uh Epstein's former pilot still lives there or did uh very recently at the edge of the ranch. U

00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:20.630
there's it's it is as if uh they were there yesterday. There's I'm told there's still a painting like a naked

00:59:20.640 --> 00:59:28.950
painting of Gelain Maxwell on the wall that all of these books are still on the shelves like and and they have done they

00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:37.109
have gone in there uh the New Mexico investigators but something unprecedented is happening. the federal

00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:47.190
attorney general is not cooperating with the state attorney general and this is like unprecedented. Uh usually it's just sort of a peruncter, hey can you send us

00:59:47.200 --> 00:59:56.150
these files? Yeah. And they get the files within two weeks if they need some help prosecuting somebody. So this bill um you know I I met personally in my

00:59:56.160 --> 01:00:06.309
office the attorney general from New Mexico. He has been stonewalled by Todd Blanch. And so this bill gives him unfettered access to the files so that

01:00:06.319 --> 01:00:15.990
he can prosecute crimes that happened at Zoro Ranch. >> Oh wow. So this has got real teeth on it this time. Like we're going after who we can prosecute. I love this.

01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:24.309
>> The real teeth. If you want a prosecution and you and you've given up on Trump's administration, we've got a prosecutor who is ready to

01:00:24.319 --> 01:00:33.430
go after it. Okay? and we've got a crime site that's still there. Um, and you know,

01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:41.750
there's a lot of there there. The other thing it does is it clears up this discrepancy that the it's semantics. The

01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:51.670
attorney general is trying to say that deliberative process privilege was not pierced when if it existed at all. By the way, I don't acknowledge that it

01:00:51.680 --> 01:01:01.430
wasn't pierced by our bill when we said that you have to release the files that show your decisions about whether to prosecute or investigate. This this an

01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:12.390
unambiguous term says that you cannot assert deliberative process privilege. So that's in the bill that will cause the relief. And by the way, any judge

01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:22.549
would say that if you could get in front of a court and so there's there's a third dimension to this bill. It gives standing to three categories of

01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:32.309
litigants in the courts. And by the way, and it doesn't have to be in the DC district court. This is like a very lopsided court here in DC, as you can

01:01:32.319 --> 01:01:43.750
imagine. You'd much rather, you never see a good freedom ruling or justice ruling come from the DC district, right? It's always like uh fifth circuit, sixth

01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:53.349
circuit, or one of these districts in Texas or Kentucky or Ohio or something. never never from the ninth, you know, circuit. I think that's the one out in

01:01:53.359 --> 01:02:03.030
California that includes so many liberal areas and liberal judges. And so, um, it gives standing to survivors because

01:02:03.040 --> 01:02:14.069
here's another category of those 3 million files that are still being withhold, 302 forms that the FBI must complete after they've interviewed a witness or a victim. U, this the

01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:23.109
survivors looked in these files. I don't see my file. Where's my file? I I did an interview. Where is it? Or I see my file, but I need to see beyond the

01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:31.990
redactions because this was my experience and I need to know how I was harmed. A lot of time has passed and I wanted and I want to know what I said to

01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:40.950
the FBI, what they you know what they also did they faithfully record what I told them, >> right? Uh so those those files are

01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:51.430
missing but this would give the survivors standing in their own home courts not they don't have to come to Mordor here to file the suit and then it

01:02:51.440 --> 01:03:00.309
would give the attorneys general of the various states standing if if Todd Blanch or the next attorney general doesn't cooperate and it would give

01:03:00.319 --> 01:03:09.190
members of Congress standing. Uh, so I'm real interested in getting this one done before January 3rd at noon when I'm no

01:03:09.200 --> 01:03:18.069
longer a member of Congress. Maybe I should have also given former members of Congress standing, but it'll be up to the other members of Congress to to use

01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:28.870
this lever into. You see, this is an aspect of the law and litigation. I'm not an attorney, but um I do know about

01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:37.430
this. You have to have it's called either a private right of action or standing or cause. You have to be able

01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:47.349
either statutoily it has to be granted to you or you have to show you've been harmed in some way in order to get standing. And it's been hard to do that. There is a case that's going forward

01:03:47.359 --> 01:03:56.950
where one judge did grant standing and the attorney general is right now contesting the judge's ruling where he's been compelled to release some of the

01:03:56.960 --> 01:04:05.430
files unredacted by the judge. >> All right guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is Superpower. People are always talking

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right, let's get back into the show. Yeah, sometimes um the just the reaction to bills like this can tell you so much of what you need to know or just the

01:05:50.559 --> 01:06:00.549
reaction of federal judges like man why the effort when this administration ran on transparency on this issue. You know, speaking of um running on this issue, uh

01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:10.710
I I would say that um one of the things that I'm optimistic about in the future is that I I do think that we are for all the flaws of a democratic system, we are

01:06:10.720 --> 01:06:18.870
coming back into another presidential election year. And so many of these issues that you're talking about here, despite the smear campaigns that may

01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:29.109
have been effective with some boomers and certainly, if anything, just had the opposite effect with everybody younger than that. But the actual issues that you've gotten in a fight over, say like

01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:37.430
not fighting other stupid wars, not having reckless fiscal policy that drives us has driven us up to $40 trillion in debt, transparency on the

01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:46.789
Epstein issues. These are overwhelmingly popular with super majorities of the American people. And you know, Miriam Adlesen has a lot of

01:06:46.799 --> 01:06:55.190
money. Um, but I mean she can pump say $30 million or or Miam and other Israel, you know, lobby uh uh organizations can

01:06:55.200 --> 01:07:04.789
pop uh can pump 30 plus million dollars into a little district in rural Kentucky. Can it be really tough to pump that into a thousand different districts

01:07:04.799 --> 01:07:13.670
um all across the country? In fact, I'd say that's impossible. Fox News could have a blockout of a congressional primary. It's going to be really impossible in the age of the podcast for

01:07:13.680 --> 01:07:23.670
Fox News to block out a presidential candidate. So, like if we could get a presidential candidate who was like for transparency, who was a person with some integrity, who had some honesty, who

01:07:23.680 --> 01:07:31.829
wasn't a crazy socialist and actually believed in Americanism and free markets, I just got to say, man, I think that could really take off and and really like change the course of this

01:07:31.839 --> 01:07:41.036
country. >> Do you know anyone? Do you know anyone? >> Cuz I got a guy in my Wait, stop it. No, no, no, no, no. Everyone else can do this to me, but not you. The most suited

01:07:41.046 --> 01:07:51.029
[laughter] guy in the country to do this. Listen, man. I'm just gonna say a lot of people are uh excited about the prospect of you, maybe a Tucker Carlson, maybe some combination. Maybe some stuff

01:07:51.039 --> 01:08:00.230
comes together over these next uh couple years. We really try to save this country. Just saying. Just a thought. Throwing it out there to close the show. >> Look, I think I think the ground terrain

01:08:00.240 --> 01:08:10.789
has to change somewhat. I found myself shooting uphill uh because the money was aligned against me, the administration was aligned against me and and you know three to one

01:08:10.799 --> 01:08:19.590
the boomers were aligned against me because they don't have alternate news sources. But I think um I think things are changing. I think there's a reason

01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:29.910
to be optimistic. Not today, not in these midterms, not with these clowns I serve with, but uh with very few exceptions, but in the future. Um by the

01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:39.669
way, let me talk about the before we leave Epstein Files Transparency Act two, the prospect of getting it passed. So, you know, we I'm not going to lie,

01:08:39.679 --> 01:08:49.590
we caught lightning in a bottle to get the first one passed. We we had the nation's attention. We organized the biggest press conferences ever in the

01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:58.950
history of Washington DC in the last, you know, two decades here on the steps of the Capitol with the survivors. It's going to be hard to recreate that, but

01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:08.550
there is the pressure of an upcoming election and people start behaving a little more rashly as far as what their constituents want in close proximity to

01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:17.990
an election. So, we've got that going for us. We've also got some congressmen who've announced they're not coming back. We've got some congressmen who will find out in November that they're

01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:26.630
not coming back. uh that so the prospects for getting uh people who are unafraid or have nothing to lose have

01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:36.550
gone up as well. Um so the here's the math. We need every Democrat just like in the first uh transparency act and I

01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:47.030
anticipate we can get all of them. Uh almost 50 have already signed by now in less than 48 hours. and we need myself and and three other

01:09:47.040 --> 01:09:55.430
Republicans and um Nancy Mace is already on board. So really what I need is two other

01:09:55.440 --> 01:10:05.110
Republicans. And here's what happens when you get the other two Republicans. Every other Republican once forced to vote on it will vote for this. Okay, that's what we

01:10:05.120 --> 01:10:13.270
saw in the first one. They they said it was the worst legislation in the history of the world, right? if you listen to Mike Johnson and then he turned around

01:10:13.280 --> 01:10:22.310
and voted for it. Uh because it's only when you call the question and then they have to put up or shut up and which side

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do you want to be on? Particularly if we could get this done before the election. This would be this would be another unanimous vote in the House and the

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Senate. And if we don't get it done before the election, we've got more people who are lame ducks who might be compelled after November. And if we

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don't do that, I'm not saying I want us to be in the minority, but I I can guarantee you the Democrats are going to put this on the floor if they take the

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majority and then the Republicans are going to have to vote on it. And they're they're not going to vote against it. they would be able to get to the president, I believe, a veto proof

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majority. And by the way, this is this is another funny thing. U when we did the first Epstein Files Transparency Act,

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I did the discharge petition and on the resolution that took the language from a bill that we decided Roana would lead

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that would and inserted it into somebody else's bill. Like this is a triple sacow type legislative move that I did that most of my colleagues still don't even

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understand. But at the end of the day, what the speaker did once I got the requisite votes to force a vote on my thing is he

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just called up Roana's bill, which was the bill we wrote together, but we decided to put my name on two things and his name on one. You

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if you go back and look at history, all these Republicans voted for a Roana bill. the ones that say, "Oh my gosh, Roana is a communist. He's working with this guy. I can't believe he would have

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anything to do with Roana." They all voted for Roana's bill. It's kind of fun to think about. Um so anyways, it's a

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it's a real possibility that we can get this done, but I do need two Republicans. And so that's what it's in addition to Nancy Mace, um that's what

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it's going to come down to. And Marjorie Taylor Green's no longer here. So we need two that weren't with us the first time. But it should be easier for them. They've already voted for it once.

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Particularly for those who aren't coming back. I you cannot imagine how scared my colleagues are of Donald Trump. What they will say about him behind his back.

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>> They will grumble. They will cuss. They are pissed off. And they will do nothing to cross him or or to even do something

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that he 10% doesn't like because they're terrified of him. U >> Yep. That's right. >> But at the end of the day, there's safety and numbers. Once we get to the

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requisite votes, right, you can be forgiven for signing the discharge petition because even Mike Johnson's going to vote for the bill most likely.

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>> Right. Right. No, and I mean, you're right. They are a lot of them are intimidated by Trump. But their cowardice just kind of um accentuates uh

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uh the courage that people like you and Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Boowbert and and Roano who deserves a lot of credit for all of this too. Uh Congressman Massie, thank you so much

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for taking the time. I hope you get the chance to do this again soon. Good luck. Uh thank you for fighting the good fight and uh we look forward to your uh your

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your release party where we'll all be celebrating your your freedom again soon. >> I'm like an inmate putting X the on the door here. The the people who take the

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next office are going to have to paint over the X's in this office because I'm counting down the hours to January 3rd at noon. But there's also 34 legislative

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days between now and then, and I don't want to waste any of them. Today, I'll be introducing the flock off bill, and I'll have something for everybody every

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week that I'm in session. >> I love that. Uh we Well, I I meant to talk flock cams with you, but the time caught up. Next time, definitely. Absolutely. Thank you everyone for

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listening. Thanks again to the great uh Congressman Thomas Massie, and we will catch you guys next time. Peace. Heat. Heat. [music]