WEBVTT 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:14.549 Welcome to Virgin the USA and welcome to our special guest, Congressman Thomas Massie of Kentucky. Uh let's get right into it. Welcome, by the way. 00:00:14.559 --> 00:00:24.310 >> Thanks, Christian. Great to be on your show again. >> Uh so your office published a press release announcing that you are introducing articles of impeachment 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:32.950 against Secretary of Defense Pete Hegsf and forcing a vote in the House of Representatives. Could you give us a rundown why you believe the Secretary of 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:42.470 Defense should be impeached? >> Well, we've exhausted all other avenues that we have legislative to uh stop this 00:00:42.480 --> 00:00:52.229 guy from waging war and doing other things that are unconstitutional and illegal and unwise. So, we have I just 00:00:52.239 --> 00:01:02.150 read them. I just came from the floor. I introduced eight articles of impeachment. Um I'll go through some of them. The first three are violations of 00:01:02.160 --> 00:01:12.390 the 1973 War Powers Resolution. And I know probably some of your listeners have some, you know, probably debate about 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:20.550 the 1973 War Powers Resolution. A lot of presidents have used it and administrations to try to say that it 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:32.069 gives them more power. But the reality was it was passed over the objections um of Richard Nixon. In fact, they had to override his veto to pass the 1973 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:42.950 war powers resolution. And so there are three ways in which Peter Hegsth is waging war um illegally because even 00:01:42.960 --> 00:01:52.389 though Donald Trump gave him orders to do that, those were illegal orders. And so he was under no obligation to do that. In fact, he's under an obligation 00:01:52.399 --> 00:02:02.630 not to follow illegal orders. The first thing they did is they didn't meet the requirements that were delineated in the 1973 war powers resolution. 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:12.869 Basically, you the president can only take action according to that law if there is a a strike on an American soil 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:22.869 or a base or soldiers or US assets. Like there has to be an attack or an AUMF or a declaration of war. they met none of 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:32.550 those three conditions when they started the Iran war. So, he's in violation of that. That's section 2C. Section 5B 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:41.190 is um is the one that says that if you go past 60 days that you then you have 00:02:41.200 --> 00:02:50.790 to stop if you don't have an authorization, use of military force or a declaration of war. Well, they don't have that and they've gone way past 60 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:59.990 days. They've contrived this crazy legal argument that they stopped the war on day 59 and then restarted it on day 61. 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:09.830 And now they claim they're just restarting the war every time they make an attack, which is ludicrous. The third article of impeachment that's related to 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:18.390 the 1973 war powers resolution is um section 5C which says that if Congress 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:28.229 passes a concurrent resolution, in other words, if the House and the Senate both pass the same resolution and send it to the president that they have to stop the 00:03:28.239 --> 00:03:39.910 war or whatever military conflict they're in. Well, for the first time in the history of this country, Congress did just that. And the DoD is ignoring 00:03:39.920 --> 00:03:51.110 our concurrent resolution. [clears throat] So, those are three things. The fourth one that I want to talk about that's related to the Iron Iran war, you may remember that they 00:03:51.120 --> 00:04:00.869 struck a school and killed a bunch of school kids and teachers and even first responders because they did a a double 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:10.949 trap, a double tap. Even they waited for people to respond and then they go back and hit it again with tomahawk missiles. Well, that was mistake a m case of 00:04:10.959 --> 00:04:19.030 mistaken uh targeting of civilian infrastructure. Pete Hegsathth before the Iran war. 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:28.469 Sorry, I'm clearing my throat because I read that resolution for an hour and 20 minutes on the floor of the house. Pete Pete Hegsth [clears throat] 00:04:28.479 --> 00:04:37.110 um he dismantled the department and the personnel and the tools inside of the Department of 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:46.390 Defense that were congressionally mandated by law to minimize civilian casualties to to doublech checkck the targets and to minimize civilian 00:04:46.400 --> 00:04:56.870 casualties. Pete Hex, he first asked Congress to repeal it and we didn't repeal it, the requirement to minimize civilian casualties. In fact, we funded 00:04:56.880 --> 00:05:06.710 it in fiscal year 2025 and fiscal year 2026 and he just hasn't been carrying it out. So, that's what led to the death of all 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:15.909 those civilians in that school. So, those are four of the articles of impeachment um dealing with that war. There's the 00:05:15.919 --> 00:05:27.110 one dealing with the kidnapping of a foreign head of state. They misused our military basically to grab the oil assets of another country and to engage 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:35.430 in regime change all under the guise that they were operating as law enforcement 00:05:35.440 --> 00:05:44.950 which is they're not allowed to do but and but they tried to say legally [clears throat] we're doing counter nar 00:05:44.960 --> 00:05:53.830 counter narcotics um interdiction here and we're and whatever and we're taking out Maduro for 00:05:53.840 --> 00:06:03.670 violating laws, US laws, which frankly actually didn't even apply to him and that was illegal and again not 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:13.909 authorized by Congress. Then in Yemen, if you remember, there was a signal chat that was leaked several uh it was about 00:06:13.919 --> 00:06:22.950 a year ago, I suppose, where before they attacked Yemen, you have the director of the CN There was a reporter in that uh in that chat, right? 00:06:22.960 --> 00:06:31.670 >> Yeah. They This is where in their incompetence led to transparency for once. Um instead of like losing files or 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:42.309 losing documents, they accidentally release stuff. Yeah. So, a reporter was on the signal chat had been erroneously added. And so, you had the CIA director, 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:53.350 John Radcliffe, saying there was no imminent threat to the United States. You had Joe Kent, [clears throat] who's the former national security, um, he was 00:06:53.360 --> 00:07:02.550 on there saying there was no imminent threat. You had the vice president saying there was no imminent threat. And Pete Hegth himself acknowledged there was no imminent threat when he said, 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:12.390 "Well, we could just pause it once we start. So they didn't have the predicate under the 1973 war powers resolution to engage 00:07:12.400 --> 00:07:21.909 in hostilities and they didn't even have this misunderstood myth predicate that if there's imminent attack you can attack the other side 00:07:21.919 --> 00:07:30.309 first. They didn't even have that level of u justification when they went to war in Yemen. And you know one of the 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:40.150 resolutions my staff and I started drafting it. It wasn't our favorite resolution, but when we dug into it, it became one of our favorite resolutions. 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:51.350 He uh tried to prosecute Senator Mark Kelly, who's a veteran himself of the Iraq War and has flown NASA flights. 00:07:51.360 --> 00:08:01.270 He's an astronaut. Uh if you remember Mark Kelly said and this was in his capacity as a US senator that you're under no obligation in the 00:08:01.280 --> 00:08:11.990 military to follow illegal orders which is true according you know Supreme Court cases ruled that and Hexath tried to prosecute him under military law. So he 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:21.350 abregated the powers of Congress by squatchching the speech of Mark Kelly or trying to or through that threat trying to squaltch the speech of all the 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:30.550 veterans who served in Congress. U but he also abregated the power of the judicial branch by saying well they I'm just going to do this myself. I don't 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:39.670 care what the courts say. We're going to use military tribunal to do this to Senator Mark Kelly. And everybody's got the first amendment. When you're a 00:08:39.680 --> 00:08:48.630 veteran, when you're retired from the military, you there's no limit on your First Amendment unless you've got, you know, national secrets still in your 00:08:48.640 --> 00:08:57.096 head. You can say whatever you think politically. And so, um, this was really an attack by Secretary Hegsth on 00:08:57.106 --> 00:09:05.350 [clears throat] veterans, on their first amendment rights. And then Senator Mark Kelly himself has protection under the speech or debate clause of the Constitution that says members of 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:14.550 Congress can't be prosecuted by the executive branch for anything they say in their official capacity. >> Okay, we're going to take a short break and we're going to return back to this 00:09:14.560 --> 00:09:23.350 topic because this is really important. So, we'll be back after the short break. >> The founders gave us a blueprint for liberty. >> We strayed far from that vision. It's 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:32.550 time to bring power home back to the Constitution and back to we the people. The people are the fountain of all legitimate power. And our rights don't 00:09:32.560 --> 00:09:41.590 come from government. They come from God. >> The more we understand the Constitution, the more we'll be able to demand that our elected officials follow it. 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:51.430 >> The Constitution doesn't need to be rewritten. It needs to be rewritt. >> It's time to learn the principles and preserve the republic. 00:09:51.440 --> 00:10:00.389 >> All right. Welcome back to Burch in the USA. Congressman, thank you for being with us again. We do have a question here. uh more to talk about uh your 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:09.509 press release and your articles of impeachment against Secretary Hegsth today. Um so forcing a privilege vote on the floor directly violates House 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:19.750 leadership and sort of goes against uh the Trump administration. Do you believe you'll garner enough support um to 00:10:19.760 --> 00:10:29.670 uh be successful in your efforts? Um, >> well, procedurally, let me tell you procedurally what I think they're going to do. I because I went back and looked 00:10:29.680 --> 00:10:39.509 at the history of impeachments. I think to protect people from taking a vote on the substance of the matter and to avoid a debate on the substance of the matter, 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:50.150 they will make a motion to table. And if they succeed in that, that'll be the end of my effort. I would like to encourage people who um don't even plan at the 00:10:50.160 --> 00:11:02.710 moment to vote for impeachment to vote against the motion to table because the motion to table is an abrbridgement and infringement and um you know on your 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:13.590 congressional rights to debate these things and I think we're going to have that vote on Thursday because of privilege resolution they have to deal with it within 48 hours and I doubt 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:22.230 they'll cut Congress off early to avoid it. Um I I don't think they'll do that. I think they want to get they'll want to 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:30.310 resolve this before the election. >> So earlier in this interview, you laid out the case for why he should be [clears throat] impeached, but you also 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:41.670 pointed out that he was following illegal orders from the president. He was under no obligation to follow them, but yet he did. However, you however he did um however the president that is did 00:11:41.680 --> 00:11:51.190 give those orders as commander-in-chief. uh under article two of the constitution as you know President Trump is the commander and chief of the armed forces and he was the one who authorized 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:59.430 operation epic fury in Iran and operation absolute resolved in Venezuela. So uh why does your resolution not also include an 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:08.949 impeachment of the president given his role uh executing those orders or issuing them? >> Well, frankly Pete Hgsth is the richer 00:12:08.959 --> 00:12:17.910 target if you're trying to preserve congressional rights. um to to declare when and where and for how long we wage 00:12:17.920 --> 00:12:27.353 war because there's some of these uh articles that I introduced that are unto Pete Hegsath alone. He's the one, 00:12:27.363 --> 00:12:38.389 [clears throat] not the president, who created a culture of, uh, disregard for rules of engagement, uh, unconcerned about civilian 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:47.110 casualties and degraded their capacity against the congressional law to um to 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:56.870 minimize civilian casualties in their targeting. So, that's one example. And then when we talked about him going after Senator Mark Kelly, the president 00:12:56.880 --> 00:13:06.629 said pjorative things as well about Senator Mark Kerry, but Mark Kelly, but it was Pete Hexath himself who took it upon himself to weaponize that 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:15.110 department. Okay, let's switch topics uh a bit to the to your one of your other resolutions, the Flock Off Act, which 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:24.870 you introduced on uh September 2nd, HR 10221, uh which essentially would ban any sources of federal funds from being used 00:13:24.880 --> 00:13:33.190 by state and local uh governments to purchase, install, maintain, operate, or upgrade automated license plate readers 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:44.230 and biometric surveillance cameras. Uh, so why does your resolution stop at just cutting off the funding? Why not have a federal bill that bans uh these cameras 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:54.150 alto together? >> Well, I feel like you know the answer to that already, Christian. So, but I appreciate you asking the question. We 00:13:54.160 --> 00:14:02.870 don't have the authority to ban flock cameras, frankly. Um, but we should at a minimum quit funding them. So, if states 00:14:02.880 --> 00:14:11.829 and localities want to put cameras up, that's up to them. Um, and and they can adjudicate that and you can go to your 00:14:11.839 --> 00:14:19.990 local county government and complain. But what I suspect is they're so addicted to federal money that if we just withheld the money, [snorts] 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:28.710 um, they wouldn't do it. And so, that's my approach here. It's constitutional and it's using the power of the purse, which frankly is my favorite way to 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:39.030 reign in government, big or small. >> So, Congressman, how should Americans balance the arguments from law enforcement and the community uh law 00:14:39.040 --> 00:14:48.389 enforcement community, police officers, that these cameras should help solve serious crimes versus the Fourth Amendment and privacy concerns? Is there a compromise anywhere with these 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:57.269 cameras? Well, um, if the compromise involves infringing on the Fourth Amendment and 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:08.230 other aspects of our constitutionally protected rights, no, I wouldn't be for that compromise. There's no compromise there. There may be instances where you 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:17.110 could use cameras to solve crimes, but you you can't use them in real time to track citizens who aren't suspected of 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:26.710 anything. the the Constitution requires that you have probable cause and that you list the things that you're searching for and you can't just go in 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:34.949 and search everybody for everything. There are if if you're talking about in around the edges of what is 00:15:34.959 --> 00:15:44.710 constitutional, there are things that I believe are constitutional. For instance, um to pay tolls with your license plate, to associate the fee that 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:53.110 you owe. And so I left that I listed that as an exemption. So you could use these for auto you can use automated 00:15:53.120 --> 00:16:03.269 license plate readers only for two purposes if you're taking funding from the federal government according to my bill. And that would be to secure the border. 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:13.110 So if you're trying to keep people from illegally crossing the border, you can have these within a certain distance of the border or to collect tolls on 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:23.156 federal roads. >> Yeah. President Trump has repeatedly claimed that efforts to stop the construction of AI data centers in the US are a win for China. Um, we 00:16:23.166 --> 00:16:31.990 [clears throat] saw President Obama make similar arguments about the Trans-Pacific Partnership. If we don't take the lead, then China will, right? So, what do you make of these arguments? 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:41.590 Should Americans forsake property rights in order to stop communist China from achieving AI global dominance? Well, this is where you got to 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:51.269 understand federalism and respect local government. We the the federal government shouldn't be mandating that data centers can go anywhere the 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:59.749 companies want to put them. Um what should happen is local, you know, elected officials should be making these 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:09.429 decisions about allowable land use in different areas. It it's a similar problem. What I see the the root of the 00:17:09.439 --> 00:17:19.669 problem here is that data centers if if you were building them what they cost per square foot given the cost of the memory and the chips that you can fit in 00:17:19.679 --> 00:17:28.710 a square foot. The cost of building a data center per square foot is astronomical and it's orders of magnitude greater 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:38.710 than the cost of the land that they're being built on. It's it's similar but not as extreme with solar panels. So what you have is this tendency for the 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:48.630 people who are building these and placing them to have very little regard for what's an appropriate use of the land that's going to be underneath of the solar panels or the data centers. 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:58.390 And I think that's best handled at the local level. Although I have offered legislation, again this gets to the power of the purse, to say that um if 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:07.029 you're going to build a solar panel farm, you can't put it on farmland if it gets a federal uh tax deduction or 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:15.750 subsidy, preferential tax treatment or government money. Then in that case, we're going to say, "Well, we're not going to fund the federal government's 00:18:15.760 --> 00:18:24.390 not going to fund the depletion of one of our greatest resources, which is arable land in this country." >> All right, let's take a quick break and 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:33.270 when we come back, we'll discuss the Republican Midterm Convention that just happened this past weekend, and the Epstein files. >> Western Islands Publishing is the 00:18:33.280 --> 00:18:42.470 arsenal of Americanism. If you go to that website, you will find there that we have created a library of liberty in 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:52.710 three tiers affordable by nearly everyone. One at $50, one at 100, and one at 200. 00:18:52.720 --> 00:19:01.190 Go to western islandspublishing.com. We are the arsenal of Americanism. 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:10.870 >> Okay, welcome back. Okay. Republicans held their first ever midterm convention in Dallas where President Trump promised that if Republicans win control of both 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:19.110 the House and Senate, he will issue a $5,000 dividend check to every adult citizen. Vice President JD Vance is also 00:19:19.120 --> 00:19:27.190 calling for payments for stay-at-home parents. Do you think, Congressman Massie, that Republican efforts to redistribute the wealth will be enough 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:37.510 to stop the Democrats and the surge of the Democratic Socialists of America candidates this November? >> The irony here, especially in the way 00:19:37.520 --> 00:19:46.549 you phrased it, is Republicans are offering socialism as an alternative to socialism. Um, that they're saying, 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:56.470 "Don't vote for socialism. We'll give you we'll give you free money if we win. Um it's I mean it's crazy. A reporter 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:05.190 asked me this week, why do you think they're doing it uh after the election instead of now? Because you control the majority. You could pass this in the 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:16.230 House of Representatives. By the way, this would have to be a bill. Any money that issues from the Treasury has to be authorized and appropriated by Congress. That's just plainly true. So, he's not 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:26.230 going to be cutting these checks without Congress. So, why are we not doing it before? And by the way, George W. Bush, I'm old enough 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:34.390 to remember, uh, he cut checks, but he did it before the election. He gave people like I don't remember, $300 or 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:45.029 $600. I don't know if that was per family or per person. And he did that twice um with the act of Congress as well. Here's why. 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:53.590 What? Here's what Trump has promised with these $5,000 checks. He's promised over a trillion dollars of money to be injected into the economy and it's 00:20:53.600 --> 00:21:01.750 either going to be borrowed or printed. And it's all going to happen in the course of a month. If you remember during CO, what did the $1,200 checks do 00:21:01.760 --> 00:21:11.590 during CO? Well, they cleared out the shelves at Dick Sporting Goods. Um, you know, there were no kayaks to be bought. You couldn't get an iPhone. Not only 00:21:11.600 --> 00:21:22.710 could you not get the latest iPhone because every >> Forget about toilet paper. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There was a run on toilet paper, but um there was also a chip shortage 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:31.110 that affected manufacturing of cars. But the chip shortage was because Apple sold so many phones because the check was in 00:21:31.120 --> 00:21:39.669 the amount of about $1,200 if you remember. Um the price of a nice phone and people went out and bought all the phones and Apple couldn't make them fast 00:21:39.679 --> 00:21:48.710 enough. So they went and locked up all the capacity to make chips in the country. So what Trump has promised when he's promised everybody a $5,000 check 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:59.350 is he's promised massive inflation. If he were to do it this week, which is the last week Congress is in session before the election. So this is the only time 00:21:59.360 --> 00:22:08.710 in which he could possibly do it is the next two days the House is in session. It would touch off massive inflation that would happen before the November 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:18.710 elections. like it would be immediate. People wouldn't be putting wouldn't be opening up IRA accounts and putting $5,000 in them. They're they're going to 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:27.990 be buying everything that's on the shelves like they did during CO, but it would be even more ridiculous. >> Congressman, we're going to pivot here to another issue that a lot of a lot of 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:37.110 people, a lot of viewers here uh care about. So, uh, along with Congressman Marjorie Taylor Green, Nancy Mace, uh, you've been a crucial voice for the 00:22:37.120 --> 00:22:45.990 survivors and victims of Jeffrey Epstein, and we've lost Representative Green. And come January 3rd, when the new 120th Congress is sworn in, uh, 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:55.669 without you and Congresswoman Mace, will all hope be lost for justice? >> H, you know, [clears throat] it's going 00:22:55.679 --> 00:23:04.630 to be a different place without me here. There are a few brave people who will um I wouldn't even say follow me. They will lead with me like Lauren Boowbert and 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:13.110 Marjorie Taylor Green and Nancy Mace did. And they all paid an extreme price um for their votes. Trump vetoed a water 00:23:13.120 --> 00:23:22.870 bill for Colorado as a way to get back at Lauren Boowbert. And then Congress, the weaklings here, wouldn't even vote to override Trump's veto. So the veto 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:33.270 override failed. And so people went without water because Trump was was so vindictive about that. Now, um, here's 00:23:33.280 --> 00:23:41.350 the good news. My colleague Ralph Norman yesterday signed the Epstein discharge petition. He he wasn't one of the 00:23:41.360 --> 00:23:52.070 originals uh back in the day. By the way, we've got another Epstein bill, Epstein files transparency act part two that I introduced and started collecting 00:23:52.080 --> 00:24:01.990 signatures for a discharge petition. The way the math works is just just like with the original discharge petition a year ago, I need every Democrat plus 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:12.310 four Republicans. And I'm happy to tell you I've got three. I've got myself, I've got Nancy Mace, and I've got Ralph Norman. I just need one more Republican 00:24:12.320 --> 00:24:23.029 and then we can pass this through the House. It's actually going quicker than it did uh with the first Epstein Files Transparency Act bill. But Mike Johnson 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:32.230 is trying to thwart me. He cut two work weeks off of our calendar before the election in an effort to slow me down and keep me from getting the votes 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:41.669 before the election. I think when we return after the election, there'll be more people sign it. I'm hopeful. Um uh you know you entered Congress back 00:24:41.679 --> 00:24:51.510 in 2012 and critics sometimes claim that you've changed over the years yet your voting record has remained remarkably consistent. Look at the Freedom Index uh 00:24:51.520 --> 00:25:02.789 to to to see your voting record, right? Um have you noticed uh organizations or political groups that once supported you moving away from you and which groups um 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:12.630 have remained consistent in supporting your approach to the Constitution and limited government during your time in office? Well, um I've seen a lot of changes 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:22.950 since 2012. You know, when I got here, it was Tea Party wave and everybody was supposedly conservative. Um you had organizations like Club for Growth. I 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:33.430 was one of their poster children. I had perfect score with them or well into the 90s all the time. You had the American Conservative Union um that had a 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:43.510 scorecard uh that I was always in the 90s on. you had freedom work freedom works um what's happened in those and you had 00:25:43.520 --> 00:25:52.230 your organization the John Burch Society and the New American Freedom Index well the other organizations have just uh 00:25:52.240 --> 00:26:02.789 basically squished out and that's usually a term reserved for congressmen when they get here that what they're squishes because they lose their spine and they become invertebrates. Um 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:11.669 Freedom Works went away. It didn't it couldn't go the distance. it dissolved. Um, and the other organizations under I 00:26:11.679 --> 00:26:20.070 guess under pressure from their board members or donors have completely lost their way. Club for Growth, I don't even know if they put out a scorecard 00:26:20.080 --> 00:26:29.750 anymore. What would they score? How could they score conservative principles? Um, and and also American Conservative Union. It's it's like an 00:26:29.760 --> 00:26:39.590 oxymoron now. Um, so you have these organizations that have really changed their stripes, but what the one thing I have noticed is your organization has 00:26:39.600 --> 00:26:50.549 never changed in the in the um 14 years that I've been here and paying attention to these organizations who track congressmen. Who's going to, you know, 00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:59.990 watch the congressman if you got to find organizations that you can trust? And I know this when I'm outside of Congress and on my farm or inventing something 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:08.070 and I don't have time to keep an eye on these chuckleheads, I'm going to trust you guys to keep an eye on them. >> Yeah, absolutely. 00:27:08.080 --> 00:27:16.149 >> Thank you for that. Thank you. >> Well, we regularly hear from people who agree with many of your positions, but they are reluctant to do so publicly 00:27:16.159 --> 00:27:24.789 because they fear of being labeled anti-Trump or attacked by people on their own side. That happens to me all the time. What would you say to conservatives and constitutionalists who 00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:34.630 are afraid to publicly defend principles when doing so may put them at odds with their own political party or tribe? >> Well, I think a lot of people are 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:43.669 stepping up. Let me tell you the pitch that I'm making to my colleagues here to try to get that one last Republican signature on the Epstein discharge 00:27:43.679 --> 00:27:52.310 petition. I'm going to men and women who are in congressional districts that in a normal election cycle they would win, 00:27:52.320 --> 00:28:01.029 but they're polling five points down or 10 points down. And I'm telling them, I've got only got one more hero slot on this Epstein discharge petition. Like, 00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:10.310 if you are the 218 signature, there's it's good it's not just good policy. It's good politics for you. and but they 00:28:10.320 --> 00:28:20.070 are basically paralyzed with fear from the Trump administration and um it's going to cost them elections because they're going to like lemmings go off 00:28:20.080 --> 00:28:29.110 the cliff when in fact they could be with me and Ralph Norman and Nancy Mace um and lead and show people that you're 00:28:29.120 --> 00:28:39.110 still for transparency that you haven't changed. History will prove us right. Um, you know, it's hard to be it's hard to stand up in the moment a lot of 00:28:39.120 --> 00:28:49.430 times. When I voted against the so-called big beautiful bill, I I in my floor speech, I said, "We're not rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:58.470 We're putting coal in the boiler, and we're setting a course for the iceberg." And I said it would cause interest rates to go up, the price that we pay for 00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:07.830 debt, and that it would cause the deficit to go up. Not just the debt, the rate at which we incur debt would go up because of that bill. And here we are, 00:29:07.840 --> 00:29:17.029 guys, uh what is it, 18 months, 16 months later, we've got massive inflation. U it it takes half a week's 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:27.269 paycheck to fill up your gas tank. Uh, if you drive a pickup truck, um, all these things that I said would come true have come true. And I guess the price 00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:36.310 you pay in the moment is worth it in history when people realize you were right. >> Absolutely. Well said. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Congressman 00:29:36.320 --> 00:29:44.789 Massie. Thank you for joining us here on Birch in the USA. And God bless you. >> Thank you guys. God bless. >> If you enjoyed the show, please 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:55.269 subscribe to us on YouTube and Rumble. Share this episode with your friends and family and help us reach more Americans with the message of constitutional liberty. As always, take care and God 00:29:55.279 --> 00:30:01.325 bless. >> [music]