Massie: The Founders Knew Patents and Copyrights Were Foundational
Floor remarks: the Founders put patents and copyrights in Article I because they knew they were the foundation of the economy.
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- We now recognize the gentleman from Kentucky, Mr. Massie, for 5 minutes. Well, the last member of the administration that I was very nice to
- was Kristi Noem, and she was uh removed 48 hours later, but at that risk, uh I want to thank you for the great job that you're doing.
- Uh I'd like your analogy of intellectual property to currency, but um let's don't compare the Central Bank to the Patent Office because some
- of the founders all of the founders were unanimous in in understanding that the patent and copyrights were the foundation that would allow our country to grow,
- and I appreciate you doing that, but the It is an appropriate analogy because of intellectual property to currency because we've had a crisis in our
- currency [clears throat] for the last decade, I believe, of intellectual property. If your currency is called into doubt, if the Federal Reserve notes in your wallet, when you
- present them, even though they were issued by the government, if they're called into question when you try to use that currency, you have a problem. And
- that's the way it's been with patents. The you know, the PTAB ostensibly was created to make it easier to adjudicate
- validity on the back end of a patent issuance um and enforcement. The problem is it's created too much uncertainty, and I very
- much appreciate the steady hand that you've put on the tiller. I would uh um I would disagree with my um Democrat
- colleague who said that policy shouldn't change when administrations change. I would argue that elections should matter. Laws should not change. The
- patents that have issued should not change. They should still be valid, but um we need somebody in charge. We need somebody to exercise common sense in the
- application of the laws that we have passed, and it seems to me that you're doing a very good job of that, and um could you tell us about the rule that
- you're proposing um and the actions that you've taken in terms of exercising discretion on um the IPRs.
- Thank you, Congressman. I'm happy to speak to the uh notice of a proposed rule making we have um put forward. Uh basically, it's intended to
- uh restore fairness and balance to the uh IPR process. There have been instances where there have been as many
- as seven uh serial filings, and it's intended to be able to have the matter adjudicated uh
- once and for all early, um and it's been termed uh I will say as one and done, um but I think that's a misnomer.
- There's liberal joinder provisions that are carried through into the rule. And so, I would say it's uh one join and done. And the facility is provided for
- if there's a petition filed um uh after there's been an adjudication uh that excuse me, petitions filed, people
- can join. Uh the answer isn't serial filings. We think the answer should be gang tackling. At the time uh when it can be had the preference would be to
- have a PGR-like process where things are laid open. That's not always possible uh as has been discussed, things sneak through, but there should be a point in
- time where there's quiet title, there's finality, um and uh people can have that chance and and do it together, uh but
- it's got to be adjudicated once and for all. I agree, but I think you once you have the imprimatur of the government and you've survived a a challenge, um
- that's important because what I've noticed the last 10 years, a lot of people are shying away from companies that would have been based on intellectual property. I've heard people
- inventors say, "I'm not even going to file the patent. I'm just going to try to rely on trade secrets." That That creates a world of haves and have-nots
- when when everybody can just keep all of their stuff secret, and that's incentivized because of a patent system that's not working. And uh you know, the
- PTAB, I do think it was probably at least from the people who voted on it originally intended to expedite this adjudication, but it's
- created uncertainty that has hurt our country, hurt our inventors, and um I'm glad to see that you're exercising some
- common sense in the application of it. Any law can be weaponized, and we saw that the PTAB law has been weaponized, and I appreciate you taking it back and
- using it for common sense. That um I'm going to give you my last 15 seconds. Thank you very much, sir. And also, to
- be reminded, there uh IPRs are but one avenue. There's always uh re-examination, there's uh post-grant reviews, and there's district court.
- What we had found was particularly with respect to IPRs that it was intended to be as an alternative to litigation, yet 80% of the filers already had a district
- court action with uh with also instituting an IPR. I think Yeah, and thank you for taking out much of the redundancy that existed
- because it doesn't get cheaper when people keep getting subjected to continuous IPRs or they survived the IPR and then go to court.
- I'll yield to Mr. Issa. >> Thank you.
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