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Rep. Thomas Massie: Against the Uniparty — The Tom Woods Show #2503

Jun 13, 2024 · 51:05 tom-woodsunipartyleadership-fightsspending

Long-form with Tom Woods on what Massie calls the uniparty — the bipartisan establishment that runs the spending machine no matter who wins.

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  1. [Music] get ready to take a flamethrower to the official narrative and learn what the elites don't want you to know you're
  2. listening to the Tom Woods [Music]
  3. show hey everybody Tom Woods here episode 25003 delighted to be joined by Congressman Thomas Massie a republican from Kentucky uh kson Massie there is so
  4. much to that one could talk about with you because you've been at the center of pretty much every modern controversy exists in America today but
  5. welcome back to the show I don't invite controversy but when I run into it I don't look the other way yeah that's I think that's how we all feel we're all
  6. just trying to live and the controversies keep coming to us right I you know I watched your interview with Tucker Carlson and one thing you said
  7. really uh stuck out to me and and it resonated with me which is uh Tucker was asking you do you think members of Congress are being blackmailed and that
  8. accounts for why they have no spine or why their opinions change on a dime or whatever and you were suggesting that the answer may actually be more mundane
  9. than that it could simply be that they crave they want to be loved they want to be liked by people and by people that
  10. also includes the establishment it's much easier to live your life if you're more or less going along with at least a bare minimum of what they want you get
  11. invited to the parties you don't get denounced all the time I mean it it would be tempting for anybody to soften a little bit in exchange for recognition
  12. and and the reason that that resonated with me so much is that one of the things I've written about about you in my email newsletter is that you seem impervious to this so that on the on the
  13. one hand you get Trump angry but on the other hand you will be the one who defends him the most against the rush gate claims or the crazy conviction or
  14. whatever and then the left doesn't like you because of January 6th even though they're supposed to like you for anti-war and then if you could just
  15. soften a little bit maybe APAC would get off your back so all this time you're upsetting this group and this group and this group and this group most of these groups should like you at least a little
  16. and you're constantly keeping them on their toes and I feel like it must be especially frustrating when you're the best guy we have by far and yet Trump
  17. people have been kind of LED from time to time to think rooting against you is the right thing to do good thing you don't want to be liked you you don't
  18. care if you're liked that's what I mean to say rooting against me is like shorting Tesla stock um it's in the long run it's not worked out for anybody no
  19. and and on the January 6 stuff yeah I've I've exposed the a lot of the pipe bomb Shenanigans um but remember and I'm
  20. saying this tongue and cheek I voted to certify the fraudulent election I wasn't part of the January 6th you know the the uh the Democrats try to
  21. call me an insurrectionist I say I voted to certify the fraudulent election I don't know what you're mad about but that obviously being factious and S and
  22. sassy with Massie there um ultimately what I realized was we weren't going to change the outcome of the election Nancy Pelosi was in charge and for federalism
  23. reasons I thought it was a bad idea to set a pressent that Congress can just throw out an election anytime they want because whenever I can leave something
  24. up to the states or leave something up to DC you're almost better always better off leaving it up to the States but um to your point yeah I've had I've had
  25. Maga mad at me I've had Pelosi mad at me I've had Trump mad at me uh CNN on March 27th 2020 they called me the most hated
  26. person in Washington DC and I joke that that is the first and only time I've ever seen him get the news right like I
  27. was literally had people waiting in line to tell me what an I was on the floor of the house it was like you always had to take a number to come up
  28. and say something nasty to me that day and I'm talking about Republicans and Democrats both um and and some people say just to use that example by the way
  29. March 27th 2020 that's the day they passed the cares act and out of 4 135 people I was the only person who would
  30. object and the reason I know this is I if I needed to go to the bathroom or take a phone call I would ask people can
  31. you you know fill in for me if I'm gone and they're like NOP not doing it and um
  32. it was for me that was a very tough moment it was like you can almost physically feel the hate at that point it's like being underwater at a very you
  33. know very deep uh level at a great depth and you can feel pressure like it's harder to draw air into your lungs sometimes when you've got that many
  34. people staring at you hating you coming up and telling you they hate you uh but it's it's manifested itself physically never
  35. psychologically I have I give members of Congress and come up and scream at me I mean scream at the top of their lungs on the
  36. floor the house because their bill passed 420 to six and I was one of the six and I just have like an outof body
  37. experience at that moment I Tred to leave my body about three feet you know on the on the video games you can pick if you want to be inside the body or if
  38. you want to have the The View above the body and I try to visualize myself being screamed at and um just don't scream
  39. back and they they have to come back in a day or two and apologize they almost always do they just lose it on the floor
  40. but let me let me say something before before I give it back to you on March 27th 2020 people say that was a brave thing that I did and to be hated that
  41. much etc etc it was fear that motivated me the fear that I would be back here in
  42. Kentucky no longer in Congress and some dystopian future some outcome that I could have prevented that somebody could
  43. have prevented if just one person had objected and to know 15 or 20 years from now that I could have done that and that
  44. I had been put in that position but didn't do it would maybe have driven me to Suicide you know 10 or 20 years later
  45. and so I was like I can't live with myself if I don't at least try to stop this which you know I said there would be inflation and shortages and uh things have turned
  46. out pretty bad probably not as bad as they could have but at least as bad as I said they would be it's turned out to be so U don't give me too much credit I was
  47. actually very scared that day of how I would feel many years later and here we are four years later I feel pretty good about it well as as you should and
  48. incidentally I I recently showed my eldest daughter uh the documentary I guess it's about 5 years old now now you're off the grid documentary that was
  49. made about the way you live in Kentucky and and it it i in fact my wife was watching too and I turned to her and said I need you to understand that I am
  50. a no Talent nothing compared to this guy describing how you're building your house and you're using the stone that was right there in the so I understand
  51. the attachment you have to Kentucky and that you moved there you got out of New England uh where you'd gone to school and moved there after working in
  52. Massachusetts for a while uh because you wanted to be back where you grew up and you wanted to raise your kids there so I totally understand and I I can already
  53. predict how you're going to answer this question but I I I have to ask I feel like since you've been elected you very consistently become better known uh if
  54. you were to ask a lot of people you know who share our philosophy they'll name you as by far the best Congressman faint praise but but that is nevertheless
  55. praise and I think you've become more at the center of of controversy and you don't care if people like you you genuinely want to do the right thing
  56. you're the exact kind of person you know how to make things you know you're a real person you've worked with your hands you also have an MIT degree and you're a genius who more than you would
  57. we want as US president why won't you do it iway I wasn't ready for that at the end
  58. but um you know so I've been in Congress 12 years and uh two years years as a County judge executive before that and
  59. I've been through a lot and um I look at it as building a stone wall you know and some of my house is
  60. built out of stone it takes a long time it's hard work and it's like the three Three Little Pigs right they built their
  61. house or whatever different different ways and I'm just I'm building my political career with stones and uh starting with the
  62. foundation and sometimes you do things that seem like they're going to make or break you I've had I had a chief of staff once I was going to go on some big
  63. TV show about some big issue and he's like oh my gosh this is it this is your chance it's going to be all or nothing
  64. I'm like no calm the hell down this is I'm building a ston wall here and this is just a larger Stone than normal we got to put the mortar on it and set it
  65. in the wall it's going to not it's not going to change any of the other stones that have been placed and it will you know will make a lot of progress here
  66. but it's not make or break nothing ever is if you're just methodically doing trying to do the right thing um every
  67. time and you build some credibility and like we said before the people who short your stock end up not not off there you
  68. know not looking very bright later on um now to the presidential question so in 2016 I campaigned with
  69. Rand in Iowa and that was brutal brutal and then in um 2024 here I campaigned
  70. with Ronda santis in Iowa New Hampshire and South Carolina there let me tell you what there is nothing fun about
  71. it and it's just grueling and um the odds are so long and um I just I don't think you
  72. know the world is ready for the truth that I'm ready to tell them I mean they would rather I think be duded into
  73. thinking there are simple answers and there really aren't many simple answers to the problems we have yeah yeah well that's that's certainly true I I guess I
  74. I can imagine the kinds of things that uh frustrate you as a member of Congress but something that frustrates me as a US historian is that I'm thinking let's say
  75. 30 years down the road what are the chances that a mainstream history textbook is going to tell the full truth of the years 2016 to 2024 fouchy and Co
  76. Russia gate January 6 the Trump convictions I I could go on and on it seems virtually certain that it will all
  77. be fairy tales and that that's what the kids will learn so it's like there are two almost there are two truths in America it's not even that well some people accept gender Theory and others
  78. don't it's that there are like two different truths somehow weirdly coexisting and I don't know how we break out of that well here's the good news I
  79. I think you're absolutely right but the good news is there will be archaeological digs back into this era and there will be strata of things that
  80. happen and instead of digging through and and finding you know porcelain vases and things like that and hieroglyphics
  81. they're going to be going back through Twitter feeds and Facebook posts and CDC announcements and U it's hard to erase
  82. that stuff in fact that stuff may be more permanent than the artifacts we F find from 2,000 years ago under the dirt they may last even longer and um I'm
  83. sure there will be efforts to erase history it'll it in some way may be easier if it's digital and you can control people but I think there are
  84. just too many copies of it it's almost like blockchain people are archiving it and keeping copies and so um that's the
  85. good news in this in this era where every you know even the stupid things that I've said are forever ins sconed in
  86. AR digital archives so people can go back and decide whether that version of history is correct or not in fact a AI
  87. can do that you could have ai 20 or 30 years from now if it's not completely co-opted by the government and and the
  88. uh corporations if everybody's got their own AI you could say please go back look at everything from 2016 to
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  96. well you took why do you ask a question like that and take off my biggest concern right off the table because we already know if we already know that one
  97. I I'll I'll tell you what my current one is because my current one which it's not the biggest issue in the history of the world but I feel like the the the
  98. conviction of trump on the quote 34 felony counts and and the the U the weaponization of the legal system I find
  99. that profoundly disturbing because of what it portends for the future now is it worse than what's going on in Ukraine probably not but it's more recent than
  100. that and it's got me very very concerned I think ultimately he's going to Prevail uh you
  101. maybe I'm placing too much faith in the Supreme Court I think right now the P the process is the punishment and so the the weaponization they whether they get
  102. a conviction or not they're going to be smug and satisfied that they drug him through this and U so that is troubling
  103. you know a lot of people have lost faith in institutions in this country but I'm beginning wonder if that Faith was always misplaced anyway yeah so maybe
  104. it's not such a bad thing that we're Lancing the boil here my biggest fear Tom is obviously it's related to the
  105. debt but not the debt um obviously the music can't go on like it is forever but
  106. if we if we had some sort of cataclysmic um come to Jesus moment here where we can't Finance the debt and
  107. there's a crisis and the dollar collapses and then we have to get serious about spending only what uh we bring in and revenue actually that is
  108. not the thing I fear what I fear is that we avoid that for an even worse outcome my fear is that we slowly devolve into a
  109. centrally planned Chinese style government that's a mi mishmash of capitalism crony capitalism and
  110. government control and the thing that this you know 250-year experiment is over and there's not another piece of
  111. land where you could go that's relatively you know undeveloped uh and set up another experiment that the the globe will be
  112. monopolized at that point by government or governments and we can't try this again that's my greatest fear Tom is that we
  113. slowly like boiling a frog although I'm afraid the Frog will never get boiled and we will just have outcomes that are
  114. far far uh suboptimal from what we could have have and nobody had and nobody remembers what capitalism and Liberty
  115. and and freedom were all about because those words will be redefined well as you say we'll have to do more excavations to dig up and let's hope
  116. we're we have enough success that the excavations don't have to dig all that deep but at least we've got a lot of permanent record of you know the way
  117. things were I I can't help but asking um how you you obviously don't have the greatest relationship with the the speaker but how do you function while
  118. having obviously at least on a policy level I I don't know maybe you get along with them personally I don't know but how do you function having such an antagonistic
  119. relationship with the leadership of your party both in politics and just within the bureaucracy of the party are there ways they can make your life
  120. difficult well um they can we're in this really interesting situation right now where I mean I'm still on the rules committee it's called the speakers
  121. committee and it you know for at least six decades it's been controlled with an iron fist by whoever the speaker is whether it's a democrat or a republican
  122. in fact the ratio is n to four there are nine majority members and four minority members so that you could you could have several defections on any given day you
  123. know a couple defections and one person doesn't show up and you still the speaker still wins the day it's um and I'm still on that committee I joke
  124. there's another Congressman I don't want to say his name he's from New York he keeps going on the news saying I should be kicked off The Rules Committee it's such a disgrace that I'm still on the
  125. rules committee and I I I just go up to him and I say redouble your efforts I I've tried everything I can to get off this committee and I'm still stuck on it
  126. and I appreciate your help but it's not working uh and in fact I have to go back to Congress a day early I I'm gonna go back tonight instead of tomorrow most
  127. people are going back tomorrow I'll probably go back tonight so that I can be in that Rules Committee hearing that's going to start in the morning um
  128. so the we're in this weird situation Tom where the minority is so slim that they're almost afraid to
  129. even uh use strong words against anybody because maybe they quit Congress you know they just throw their hands up and
  130. leave and now you're in the minority so it's it's kind of funny everybody is sort of being you can get away with anything I don't actually like the
  131. situation we're in you've got all these gangs that form and you know and a gang is only five or six people there was a
  132. New York gang that demanded demanded a vote on the state and local tax deduction trying to restore that for parochial reasons uh there was a gang
  133. that formed of the Intel committee to get fisa reauthorized without a warrant there are gangs that form because the minority is so slim but we're almost at
  134. the point where the minority is so slim that they they can't really punish one person too much but also you know laying
  135. that stone wall I've got some credibility and can still even if they took me off every committee I could move the narrative in Congress at this point
  136. I think and the other thing I would point out is uh they if they took me off of the rules committee at least under Kevin
  137. McCarthy I was sort of the canary in the colemont and I helped them uh avoid some obstacles that where they would have
  138. been blind they would have been Flying Without instrumentation and fly flown into the side of the mountain now Mike Johnson doesn't care anymore so he's
  139. pretty much ignoring the conservatives who were on the rules committee but I would say under Kevin even though I didn't vote for a lot of the bills I was able to tell them where the rocky spots
  140. were and help them avoid some of that by making some concessions to conservatives and some of these bills so I guess you know I'm still there they it's hard for
  141. them to get rid of me now people on the out are trying to get rid of me APAC spent $400,000 against me this election cycle um there was burning their money
  142. at this point but I don't know I'm still here a lot some of the people that have hated on me aren't aren't in Congress and are never coming back like Liz
  143. Cheney and Adam kininger Max donated to my primary opponents uh in 2020 because of my opposition to the covid nonsense
  144. and because they thought they could you know it was a good chance to get rid of me again don't short Massie stock well I think a lot of people who
  145. listen to this show have some interest in your End the Fed bill so I think I would be uh remiss not to bring that up at least briefly if if that bill ends the the
  146. Federal Reserve does it then lay out what you know Plan B is um well some people say what do you
  147. res replace the Federal Reserve with well what do you replace a tumor with when you get it out of your body uh there's you don't replace it with
  148. another Central Bank there's some people that have uh suggested that the FED would be okay if they had an algorithm for their decision about how much money
  149. I think it's called the tailor rule for how much money you add yeah you know I don't think that's the fix good I B basically you should go back to some
  150. form of sound money and whether that's backed by gold or whether it's Bitcoin some you know modern digital form of
  151. that I don't care I'm not trying to prescribe what that should be but one thing is clear it's going to be a lot harder for this government to do deficit
  152. spending and to fund all these wars if the Federal Reserve does not exist now it may be nearing the end of its useful
  153. life already I feel like they've pulled on so many levers but all of those levers are connected not with a rigid linkage but
  154. with a rubber band to the economy and they've got so many of those rubber band stretched right now like I don't even think they have much control over uh
  155. over interest rates at the moment they could probably stretch that rubber band a little bit and and move it down maybe 1% but I don't think they can they can
  156. absolutely control it at this point because you've got foreign Sovereign funds who are saying we don't like your bonds and your treasuries at 4% we want
  157. 5% and what are you going to do when they say that well you can print money and you can try to uh make up the
  158. difference that way but now you're going to fuel inflation and so now you're got to try to pull the interest rates up again to balance that so I think they're
  159. kind of at that spot where all the rubber bands are stretched out and um it's going to be interesting to see how they get through this meanwhile
  160. we are sanctioning more and more countries as time goes on like we we've sanctioned Russia we sanctioned Iran I
  161. mean these are not giant economies but they're not small economies either and it we're sending a signal when we for instance seize Russia's assets uh when
  162. they you know they bought some treasury instruments and we're saying well we're just going to take all that H Take It Off The Ledger and just keep it well
  163. that diminishes China's appetite for instance to buy U our debt when we start playing those games and then when we sanctioned Russia as Putin said if you
  164. made it through his first hour of the history of Russia but if you made it through the first hour of that interview with uh with Tucker Carlson you saw
  165. Putin say well you know what he he was he said before you sanctioned us 70% of our transactions with other countries
  166. were in dollars now it's I don't remember the exact number but was less than 20% of their transactions are in US
  167. dollars with other countries and that's hurting ourselves too so I think they're sort of at the end of their rope they've stretched all
  168. the rubber bands and the simple answer Tom is you replace it with sound money and and sound monetary policy there a
  169. there a whole bunch of books that have a chapter on how that transition might be made by the way rothbard talks about a plan George reesman Henry Haslett
  170. there's there's a whole bunch of G Edward Griffin all whole bunch of people talk about how that transition might work but the very fact that we're even talking about this demonstrates that
  171. sometimes the Overton window extends in our Direction I as we all know nobody was talking about this before Ron Paul in politics anyway and now it's become
  172. kind of almost Chic for the odd Republican here and there to say hey there is a problem with the Federal reserve and I and I do want to say here with people watching that I think I I
  173. have been right on a lot of things but I like to admit when I'm wrong it's a good quality it's it's a rare quality and I'll say that when when Dr Paul ran his
  174. first GOP Presidential campaign and he was emphasizing the Federal Reserve quite a bit I wrote that he probably shouldn't do this that this is a very technical topic the general public has
  175. no interest in thank goodness he doesn't listen to me that's all I have to say what a mistake the window has moved and let me give you some specific
  176. measurables here when Ron Paul left we did one reintroduction of in Def fed without Ron Paul and it was introduced
  177. by Paul Brown and it it garnered two co-sponsors myself and Ted Yoho now Paul Brown and Ted Yoho are no longer around
  178. and we and we did that for one more Congress after uh Ron Paul left we went for a decade without anybody introducing a bill to end the Federal Reserve
  179. and which is kind of remarkable because there are a lot of CopyCats in Congress right I mean I'm I've done a lot of R&D I call it ripoff and duplicate if I see
  180. a good idea I'll rip it off and duplicate it there's no intellectual property in legislation uh so we'd gone 10 years and
  181. I said you know what like the things that Ron Paul said would happen have now happened
  182. okay and the Federal ederal Reserve is doing them more than they did them back then like you know trillions of dollars out of thin air in 2020 they they
  183. injected into the money supply and uh we've got inflation we've got um you know that's tamed down a little bit we've got high interest
  184. rates and there's a loss of Faith as we said before in the institutions of this government and I and I was actually
  185. listening to an audio book by safine amus uh called the Bitcoin standard and
  186. I I'll warn anybody who wants to listen to that book the first 80% of it is not about Bitcoin it's about money and what
  187. is money which I think is important to understanding Federal Reserve and also but he he has to lay that down so he can explain what Bitcoin is because you
  188. can't assume everybody knows what money was and frankly I learned some things or picked up some vocabulary that I didn't have about it there and I'm was
  189. listening to that tape and I'm like it is time it is way past time to reintroduce a bill to end the Federal Reserve and so I put it in the hopper
  190. and I thought man I may be the only one maybe I'll get two or three co-sponsors but I don't care this needs to be done I got two dozen co-sponsors so we the
  191. number of co-sponsors of the bill to end the Federal Reserve in 10 years has gone up 10x um which is remarkable yeah that is no
  192. small thing absolutely now now given that I've satisfied I hope some of the more intellectual viewers of the Tom Wood show now I want to satisfy more of
  193. the gossip Seekers I don't I don't know where we got very intellectual well I mean I I mentioned rothbart and Ron Paul I consider that to
  194. be intellectual but um I I am a little bit curious I I've more or less heard the story but your relationship with Trump is interesting because as I say
  195. you have not hesitated to come to his defense when he's unjustly attacked which is a lot uh but at the same time you've done a lot of things to annoy him
  196. and it now for me I would much much rather have an honest critic who has principles and who will back me when I'm right than just a yes man and you are
  197. nobody's Yes Man uh but he did ultimately even after getting on the phone with you and telling telling you he was going to endorse your primary opponent and all that he did event
  198. endorse you so was there ever any reconciling conversation or did it did it just develop just gradually or what
  199. happened oh man you're not going to draw this out of me are you I've never talked about this before um so before I go
  200. there let me just uh say what my strategy was when he was president was if um he did something right I would
  201. compliment him the person for for doing something right and if he did something I disagreed with out of deference to him I never criticized him I didn't say he
  202. was wrong I criticized the policy so I definitely that was sort of my strategy it worked until it didn't uh you know
  203. when he was mad at me about opposing the cares act he he said um this is the
  204. second time you've done this uh and they talk me out of it before and it was true I had Ram Paul and Matt Gates and Mark
  205. Meadows uh and some other folks you know telling Trump please don't crush this guy the the time before that which was
  206. he had attack solomani uh he killed him you know ordered that attack and we were concerned that there may be an allout
  207. war with Iran on the on the mainland of Iran remember that was not on Iranian soil and so there was a resolution to uh
  208. require a vote of Congress if Trump wanted to go to war with Iran and so I had um supported that that's when that
  209. was the time before that he remembered there were actually other times you know like the fake Obamacare repeal that was just horrible and the freedom caucus opposed
  210. the fake appeal repeal of Obamacare until they got a little provision in it basically said okay well we're not
  211. really repealing Obamacare but we'll let the States repeal it individually if they want to that was the concession that got the freedom caucus on board to
  212. vote for the fake repeal of Obamacare but I never came on board on the fake repeal of Obamacare so I'm just saying
  213. Trump thought that was the second time that had gone against him it was actually like the eighth time he just was kind of realizing this is that same
  214. annoying Congressman that keeps you know bringing these facts up um so I was this you know so I won my
  215. primary during the within eight weeks of the cares act 81 to19 and two years later I had somebody else running against me who said I wasn't Maga enough
  216. and she couldn't run to the right of me and Kentucky has closed primaries so she couldn't run to the left of me so she ran to the Trump of me and she went down
  217. to marago and spent $220,000 and was part of that whole scene and got her picture with Trump and basically put herself out there as the Trump candidate
  218. now he hadn't officially endorsed her but he was like 53 and0 on endorsements and I think there was some concern that she was going to be put on
  219. the loss Ledger because he had been notoriously against me before and here was a so uh we released a poll that
  220. showed I was going to win and Trump um his people called me up and and asked if
  221. I Would by the way remember I'm just trying to keep him out of my race that's all I wanted was a fair shot at winning
  222. my primary without the former president in my race so when I get a call from his political advisor who said uh the president wants to get in your race I'm
  223. like oh no not again we're just trying to keep him out of the race it turns out he he was wanted to endorse me and uh my first thought was
  224. you know everybody's got some pride in them and my first thought was no screw that we're going to win anyway and but then I thought about it
  225. I'm like you know what I don't really have any animosity toward him uh and we could cauterize this bury the hatchet
  226. and just move on and that's that's what I did so that his advisor said well we got this cookie cutter uh endorsement
  227. language and and but we think your situation is a little bit different do you have any suggestions for the language and I said well do you remember
  228. he called me a third rate grandstander and his political advisor said yes and he said well I think it'd
  229. be really nice if he called me a First Rate defender of the Constitution this time and he laughed and he said I think he'll do it and Trump did oh to his
  230. credit so um you know he called me up we had had a the president called me up we sort of consummated this uh and I won't
  231. tell you the whole conversation because I try to keep that stuff you know private but just to tell you how the conversation began and how we broke the
  232. ice he called me up and he said Thomas this is your favorite President of all time and I said you are my favorite
  233. President and he said well you've come such a very long way since the screaming at
  234. you that's sort of that's sort of how we eased into it where it's it wasn't we just buried the hatchet didn't you know
  235. so we moved on there was a lot more to that phone conversation that I won't get into just out of respect no of course everybody Tom Woods here with another
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  237. very happy to be joined today for this extremely brief mini interview with Addison quali who actually works for monetary medals how'd that come about uh
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  249. information that's monetary medals.com SL Woods well I appreciate hearing that story well look I mean I know you're you're going back to the capital tonight
  250. so let me just say uh oh let me just ask is there well first of all my wife will kill me if I don't say to you um she
  251. wants me to thank you she says he's saving our country so I want you to know my wife loves Youk but the other thing is um we see you doing all this work all
  252. the time you you you're questioning Witnesses um speak on the floor defending unpopular positions doing things for us what can we as people who
  253. support you do in return what can we do for you how can we amplify your voice or what would you like from us well first of all one of the reasons you see me all
  254. the time is I spent a decade trying not to get kicked off of my committees and in this Congress uh through a sick twist of fate I ended up on four
  255. committees and I even try to get off of some of these committees but I say I ended up with too many credit hours and I missed the drop date so that's why you
  256. see me on you may see me on Transportation committee rules committee Judiciary Committee a weaponization committee you may be thinking I'm
  257. switching committees but anyways it's uh but I don't mind it I do not mind it it's a chance we when you get good Witnesses in there it is a chance to say
  258. what the American people want to be said but isn't getting said to ask the questions that every everybody's got in the back of their head but are afraid to
  259. utter because they're afraid of looking stupid like for instance recently we had Meritt Garland in the Judiciary Committee and I'm not an attorney I'm an
  260. engineer as you know and so I'm kind of a fish out of water on the Judiciary Committee to start out with and here I'm questioning a guy who had been nominated
  261. to be a Supreme Court Justice he's the attorney general and I thought I thought well let's ask him about the Constitution and
  262. is Jack Smith's position even constitutional because it seems to run a foul of the appointments clause and so I asked that question and
  263. and actually we he didn't have a good answer the Attorney General didn't have a good answer and and you know in all fairness I relied my U legal underpinning was Ed me
  264. a former Attorney General's uh amikas brief to the court and I just kind of read that and seemed to make sense but none of the attorneys on that committee
  265. would ask the question because it's just been a they've for 30 years accepted that this is legitimate position and they don't want to look foolish among
  266. their peers their peers are lawyers well my peers are engineers and they're also wondering you know what the hell how can you just make this position up there was
  267. no act of Congress anyways within eight hours the judge in that case says she's going to hear oral arguments on that
  268. Adas brief a party that's not even named in the case now gets to make arguments in the courtroom and so I think we
  269. helped you know uh create the environment for the judge to do that maybe maybe not who knows maybe I'm taking credit for something I had nothing to do with that's very uh
  270. popular in DC I'll indulge in some it myself you as an engineer have done more than all the lawyers put together on this issue I don't I don't know about
  271. that you got some really good lawyers Dan Bishop is one of them and Matt Gates and Jim Jordan but um so what can people
  272. do I would say um the one thing they can do is call their congressmen on these issues and go uh engage with them when
  273. they're somewhere publicly if and I get in trouble for saying this not most of your listeners are not going to like what I'm going to say next but I'm going to say
  274. um if you can stomach having your name on the FEC report of your congressman and they are not the
  275. Antichrist go to one of their fundraisers like pay the price of admission their guard is down when you are in a fundraiser you are one of them
  276. and if you can just pay the Dom Minimus amount to get in that room and have a you know don't be you know an idiot
  277. have a reasonable short conversation with that person you can actually that's like next level moving the needle with your congressman and maybe you're you
  278. know maybe you meet read the Austrian economists and Murray rothbard and maybe you're above all of this okay I understand go write a blog post uh and
  279. you know be pure but if you want to affect things that's one of the things you can do another thing I will tell your listeners I'm not going to say this on a on you know Fox TV because you
  280. don't want everybody doing this but when you call your Congressman let's say you're you're talking uh and by the way you should call I know we're we're a lot
  281. of us engineers and uh maybe some of your listeners are introverts and you'd rather write a wellth thought out email
  282. or a letter and send that not have to interface with the person well guess what a lot of other people are that way too and if you are willing to talk to a
  283. human being your congressman and your two senators have human beings on the other end that are only going to get maybe six phone calls that day for out
  284. of 750,000 people a US Representative represents so I would say don't become a frequent flyer don't call every day but
  285. call your Congressman every now and then and if you want to get past the intern level of interaction just politely ask uh who who
  286. is the congressman's legislative staffer who handles monetary policy that's kind of like to you or you
  287. can use the term Legislative Assistant or legislative director but you could say what you know could you let me know which of the congressman's legislative
  288. assistance and monetary policy and could I talk to that person uh I'm giving you like the keys
  289. here to the locked door and and the receptionist is probably trained to answer that
  290. question and they will uh tell you who that person's name is and you could maybe be asked to be transferred to that
  291. person now you need to be ready to have an intelligent and polite conversation the yahoos who are calling up and
  292. cussing out and saying I'm never going to vote for this person again if he doesn't vote this way they're not going to know how to do this thank God because
  293. we don't need our staffers harassed any more than they already are at the front level but if you ask that question I think there's a 50% chance you're
  294. actually going to get to the person who is writing recommendations for the congressman's votes as they walk to the floor and have to vote on bills or his
  295. or who the the congressman staffer who is going to um recommend co-sponsorships
  296. of bills to the con Congressman at a weekly meeting you like so there you go this is if you if you made it through
  297. the the first 30 or 40 minutes however long we've been on to get to this part you've earned it and now you've got a secret code to get in and to but use it
  298. you know you've got to use this responsibly and I probably hopefully other congressmen aren't seeing me tell you how to do this well obviously you
  299. should be calling only your own Congressman because they don't care about somebody somewhere else that's that's one you got to be a voter uh but but three phone calls three phone calls
  300. don't make any more than three phone calls you have one congressman and two senators do do not call Mike Johnson do not call Nancy Pelosi right right U you
  301. don't it's just not goingon to you're just wasting everybody's time including your own and by the way in parenthesis I'm surprised that there's somebody who would maybe that's not his only area but
  302. there's somebody specifically assigned to handle issues of monetary policy because I would think that up until recently everyone would have thought of that as a non-political thing that the
  303. experts and technocrats at the FED handle well don't let me mislead you into thinking we have an army of Staff like
  304. we have two or three staffers who deal with legislation and that's it and they divvy up these policy areas often times they divvy It Up by committees right
  305. because every Bill gets a assigned to a committee so what you might want to say instead of monetary policy if you want to use the DC lingo is who handles the
  306. congressman's financial services portfolio because there's a financial services committee and within Financial Services you would have monetary policy
  307. banking policy insurance policy so you might actually be better to say who handles the financial services committee
  308. uh material for the congressman and again there you know there are over a dozen committees in Congress and we've got two or three staffers so they're going to each staffer is going to be
  309. handling six committees and infinite number of of legislative issues but they typically have within the office
  310. delineated who's going to cover what and in my case like science committee stuff I just handle that
  311. myself they might put you through to me if you say who handles the congressman's science committee technology I always wondered about Ron Paul having an
  312. advisor on foreign policy and monetary policy I'm pretty sure the man himself knows what to say well that would have been Ron PA's Chief of Staff yeah at at
  313. sometimes you know you've had to be pretty sharp on that I think but also you know Ron Paul was on Financial Services committee and I think toward
  314. the end he was a subcommittee chairman or or close to it I testified in front of that committee subcommittee so yeah I'm pretty sure it was himself you know and if you don't
  315. have if your staff doesn't really prepare you for those committee hearings the committee staff of which there are quite a few there are a lot more
  316. resources assigned to the committee than there are to the congressman On Any Given issue um they will give the congressman like sample questions which
  317. sometimes I find helpful you they think to ask things that haven't been asked but usually I tell my staff come on we got to come up with our own questions
  318. and that's where we get the good stuff yeah sure well one other thing people can do for you is follow you on Twitter or x uh at rep Thomas Massie and it's
  319. Massie with an ie so rep Thomas Massie I'll put that in the video description and on the show notes page but but I cannot imagine how busy you are so I
  320. want to let you go but we we all uh appreciate what you're doing and your time today so thank you Congressman Massie well thank you very much Tom look
  321. forward to being on your show again and look forward to seeing you in person soon thank you very much and thank you ladies and [Music]
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