Jimmy Dore: Thomas Massie Talks a Run for President in 2028

Jan 23, 2026 · 13:29 jimmy-dore 2028 uniparty epstein

Jimmy Dore asks him to run in 2028. Massie says he sees no path — Iowa taught him the 'crazy' vote went to Trump — then walks through consultants being threatened, $80 donors, and why he and Ro Khanna could still pass the Epstein bill together.

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I mean, look what they do. I I just see what they do. And so I just want someone like you to run. So I don't have And so why don't you run for president?
>> H [gasps and sighs] I think it would be impossible to win. I've been I've actually so I you know
when Rand Paul ran for Senate was in Kentucky and I helped on his campaign that was in 2010 and I was one of the volunteers and I did the phones and I
put up signs and I thought hm I kind of understood how you would run for Senate and and the two years later I ran for
the House and won using what I learned from that and the and the people who I made connections with working on Rand's
campaign. But then in 2016, I went to Iowa with Rand to, you know, and gave speeches for him or introduced him or
went around in the presidential race. Oh man. And we took a pounding like [laughter]
based on we thought that he could do well based on what his father had done. Uh, and when I came away from Iowa with this realization,
I always thought when until I went to Iowa with Rand, I thought that when people voted for Ron Paul, when they voted for Rand Paul, and when they voted
for me in Republican primaries that they were voting for a constitutionalist or libertarian leaning Republican, but then
Donald Trump went to Iowa and got all the people that had would have voted for Thomas Massie, Ron Ron Paul or Rand Paul. And that's when I had to
recalibrate my thinking. And I realized when they voted for me and Rand and Ron, they were voting for the craziest son of a in the race. They weren't voting for the libertarian or the
constitutionalist because Trump came in and took all those votes because they, you know, because Donald Trump got the votes. I don't I just don't see a path
to winning. >> Okay. Uh well, if you run out, I'll I'll help you. I'll do whatever I can. How
about that? But I don't It's not much, but I'll do whatever I can. >> You got a bigger microphone. Why don't you run and then I'll back you. >> Ah, I already, you know, I already had I
spoke at the at the UN Security Council on the anniversary of the Nordstream pipeline bombing >> and um on the plane home, I realized
that they had hacked into my iCloud account, my computer, and my phone with Pegasus. So, >> so, so listen, I in my phone there's
three nation states plus our own is what I say. You You want to talk about battery life? I have to carry three batteries in my vest in my pockets all
day long just to keep these nation states, you know, enough electrons to hear and see what I'm doing. So that's why I I mean I I I see what
they do to people, you know, and but I mean just just look how look what Big Farmer was able to do to RFK Junior just because he wanted to have safety testing
for vaccines and he it's just it's amazing what they can do. I mean it's you know with what I say about RFK. He's got lots of flaws, but that's not why the establishment hates him. They hate
him for the things that he's right about. >> You know, let me describe some of the other things they do that you don't see. Um, three of my consultants have quit
like on my campaign be and all all three for the same reason. And I don't blame them. I'm not even mad at them. I if I were in their shoes, I'd probably quit too. They were told that your other
three clients will be will will fire you or sorry, your other 30 clients will fire you if you keep working for Massie.
And so they make it hard to basically to hire the people then when and for everyone that quit. Okay. Uh you go out
and you interview 10 people to replace them and they all tell you the same thing. I can't work for you or I'll lose all my other clients. So it's like a
it's a mafia in the consultant world. By the way, I really love the consultants I got now because they're the ones who said screw you. I'll just I'm gonna work
for Massie because I believe in what he's doing and I'm good enough at my job. I'll go find some other clients if your clowns fire me. Okay, so good for
them. Um, the other thing they do is, so, you know, I told you I got I may have told you this, maybe I didn't. I've
got 15,000 donors across the United States. My average donation is 80 bucks. Is that because I don't want um
millionaires to to give to a super PAC and to help me? No. Hell no. I'll take all the help I can get. The problem is if you've reached some degree of success
where you have a a million dollar disposable income, u you probably can't afford to tick off
this administration or they will come at your business. And I'm not talking about IRS audits. Like it's it's bigger than that. You won't
get the permits you need to to do the business. Uh your your foreign when you try to do business overseas that'll get
interfered with. So they intimidate they can't intimidate my $80 donors, right? There's too many of them. But there are
and in in really over the MAGA split and on foreign policy, there are people of great means, I'm talking about
extraordinary means who could put money in my race and post up against the the uh Israel first billionaires, but
they're staying on the sidelines because their business will get ruined. They won't be invited to the parties.
you know, the A-list parties and all that goes away. So, that's that's another part of what happens behind the scenes.
There there are things that you can't see and and I could see that happening um in the presidential race as well. >> Oh, yeah. 100%. Um I I you know, I just
it just go living through the hashtagmeto era, having a fake one launched at me. I mean, it would just they would just pull people out. I mean, look what they do. I I just see what
they do. And so, I just want someone like you to run so I don't have to go through that. That's what I [laughter] >> And listen,
um, if there was dirt on me, they would have found it by now. Like, they would have I can guarantee you. Um, you know,
I'm a I'm a widowerower, but I spent 35 years with the same woman and married my high school sweetheart. I don't even have any interesting ex-girlfriends
from, you know, high school. [laughter] I married the only one that would go out with me. Um, so, you know, it's a good thing I've
got kind of a a boring social life and and was a nerd. Uh, because there's not a whole lot that they could ever find on
me. Well, I was, you know, I'm a comedian, so I've spent since 1989, I spent most of the time in nightclubs, and a lot of those nights were drunk and
other things. And so, I don't even know what I did. And, uh, so I'm >> You could say it was all inest. >> Yeah. [laughter] But you know what? Um, I'm sure we
disagree on lots of things also, you and I, but I don't ever have to worry about your opinion being bought. And, uh, and I think we could have a reasonable
discussion. And and so I realized when Trump got elected in 2016, you know, my mother-in-law voted for Trump because of abortion. And uh they want me to hate my
neighbor because of that. They want and I and I realized, well, I love my mother-in-law. She's a wonderful woman. I'm not going to hate people who voted different than me. And I realized the
game real quick was that, oh, this is how they do it. They try to get one half the country looking at the other half of the country as their enemy instead of
their neighbor. And my neighbor is not my enemy. my neighbor is the person who's suffering under the same oligarchy and Zionist influence that I'm suffering
under and they want us to hate each other. So because if we realize we had more in common that divides us, we would come together because we have a common
enemy and that common enemy is the oligarchy and they can't have that. So that's why you see all this stuff is happening and you know there's more sc
we live in one giant scop is what I feel like and >> that's a great that's a great point. Imagine if they had convinced me and Roana that we hate each other so much
that we couldn't work on the Epstein Files Transparency Act together, >> right? >> But but once we did, we then we had press the biggest press conferences
Washington DC has seen in decades. And we did two of them with the survivors of the Epstein sex trafficking ring. And
there some of those survivors are Republican, some are Democrat. They didn't care what our political affiliation was. And then when we got it
to the floor, it was 427 to1 in the House was the vote and 100 to nothing in the Senate. If they had convinced people this was a
partisan exercise by the time it got to the floor, which is why I kept it tried to keep it from being about Bill Clinton or about Donald Trump. That was part of
the SCOP. Let's make it about Bill Clinton and then we can keep the Democrats afraid of the files. Let's make it about Donald Trump and then we
can keep the Republicans afraid of it. And then we can make the vote, you know, one to 427 instead of 427 to one by
getting both sides to hate each other or to hate this bill for political reasons. So, you've got a great point. Maybe, hey, maybe you don't need to vote. Maybe
we don't need new people there. Maybe we just need to convince them they don't all hate each other as much as they're being told. And part of the reason they
they act at least like they hate each other is their voters tell them to hate each other. Like I won't vote for you again if I see you, you know, shaking
hands with AOC. You're, you know, that's that's the kiss of death in in your primary or whatever.
So, uh, I think that's a hopeful, you know, tone to say once you realize you don't hate the person, the other person
all the time, okay, you can hate them 80% of the time, but at least acknowledge there's 20% of the time you don't have to hate them and then you could get something done together.
>> As as Frederick Douglas said, I'll join with anyone to do right and no one to do wrong. >> So, that's what I live by. That's the message of this show. And uh so I I join
with you on many things. Uh free speech, uh bodily autonomy, uh anti-war, uh you know, uh get donor corporate
money out the whole deal. I'm with you on so many things that could really change this country. And then I would love to have the you know be it's it's like almost a luxury to be able to fight
over bathrooms and think [laughter] and think that that to me we but right now we've got bigger we got a lot of big problems and they want us distracted and
I try to tell people don't don't take the bait don't fall for it your neighbor's not your enemy your neighbor is an American who wants the same things you do and that's the message they don't
want to get out and I think that's the message that you carry and so I I um you know I have a real soft spot for you and I I think a lot of people Do I'm a I've
always considered myself a lefty, but I have no trouble supporting someone like you. And I used to tell people uh you're you're up against the Zionist money in your primary. So, they should go to
thomasmassie.com/donate. Go to thomasmassie.com/donate. Become one of those $80 donators and uh
fight against the oligarchy that way. >> Hey, I I had um I got caught in the hallway by somebody who thought they was going to get one over on me and they
said, "Why don't you become a Democrat? when are you switching to Democrat? And I said, then you know I vote with the Republican party 91% of the time, but in the 9% of the time they're covering up
for pedophiles bankrupting the country or starting another war. I ain't voting Republican. I'm not with the party that day. And somebody sent me a $15 donation
with a note attached. Now, my treasurer, he, you know, he's the one who's going through the mail and putting the checks in. He said, "I think you need to see
this note." And he sent it to me. And it and the guy repeated my quote and he said, "This is for the 9% of the time. Here's $15."
>> I saw that video that was that guy thought he really had you and uh you you you you smacked him down pretty easily. That was nice. Well done, Thomas Massie.
Thank you so much for your time. Thanks for your courage. Thanks for standing up to the powerful and uh being a voice for the people who don't have a voice. Uh you're welcome back on the show anytime.
>> Thanks, Jimmy. It's been it's it's been on my bucket list. I'm glad that we got to do this and uh I'll be looking forward to coming back on.
>> Okay. Thank you, pal. Hey, come see me live on tour February 20th in Lancing, Michigan. February 21st in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Go to jimmy.com for a link
for tickets. [music]

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