Jimmy Dore Show: Massie on AIPAC Money, Epstein Class, and the Primary
Week-before-primary Jimmy Dore Show: Massie on AIPAC's moneybomb, Ross Ulbricht, Hunter-virus scare talk, Iran/Netanyahu, and framing the race as a fight with the Epstein class. (Massie segment ~16:00–1:16; Scott Ritter follows.)
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- Let's do this. >> But you are live. >> Hi everybody. Welcome to today's live stream, the special early morning
- edition because we have a very special guest, Thomas Massie. He's a Republican, Kucky's fourth congressional district since 2012. Known for his libertarian
- leaning views. He's recognized for his advocacy of limited government fiscal responsibility as well as for co-leading the bipartisan push for the Epstein file
- transparency act demanding the full release of the documents and calling for a special master to oversee the process due to the Department of Justice delays and excess redactions. Let's welcome
- back to to the show Thomas Massie. >> Hey Jimmy, thanks for having me on today. >> So uh I just want to can you give us an update? How is your campaign going?
- How's the the money raising going and how close is the race? Well, we've had at least $10 million spent against me by
- u Israel first billionaires Miriam Adlesen, Paul Singer, John Pollson, and a few others to give to give directly to a super PAC against me. But also they've
- uh given money and other people have given money through Apac and Republican Jewish Coalition which are basically shills for Netanyahu's government and
- for more war in the Middle East. Uh more bombs and more foreign aid. I got crossways with them because I don't vote for foreign aid for any country. I've
- not voted for Ukraine or Egypt or Israel or Syria. I just don't vote for foreign aid and I don't also vote for wars. I'm
- against the next war already and um unless the US interests are front and foremost and I just don't see that here
- in the Middle East in the wars that we've been involved in. So um they're against me. But here's the good news. We have got so many grassroots donors that
- in the last five days we did a money bomb and raised a million dollars online. Our average donation is under a hundred bucks. So that means we've got
- tens of thousands of donors to who are giving to my campaign and it's making a heck of a difference. The only reason
- I'm still in this race with about 11 days to go is that we've had this grassroots support and I've been able to be on TV, not as much as the super PACs,
- but on TV making my case for why Congress doesn't need another rubber stamp. The president's called my opponent a warm body from central
- casting. I think he's right. This guy is a warm body. He can fog a mirror, but he can't put three sentences together. And that's why he's running his campaign
- from the basement, and he won't even come to debate me. He's turned down eight debates. So, to sum it all up, we're up small single digits in my own
- polling, and it's all going to come down to who turns out. >> So, it's it's shocking how powerful money can be in American politics. And
- you know the I think the stat is somewhere around whoever raises the most money wins 95% of the races. And so it's really not a democracy in a sense
- because it's more of an oligarchy and you're trying to put democracy back into it with your small donors. And I guess I I should disclose that I'm I'm a donor
- to the Massie campaign. So I think I have to get that out there. So uh I don't know if they can throw me in jail if I don't say that. But here I just want to There's something very
- interesting. Uh, Grock, uh, this I saw this on on Twitter or X. It said, "Hey, Grock, if the US Constitution was a
- person, which current representative would it be?" Very concise, just the name. And of course, Grock says, "Representative Thomas Massie." He
- consistently votes against bills expanding federal power beyond enumerated constitutional limits, prioritizing individual rights and
- fiscal restraint over party lines. No one matches perfectly. The document isn't partisan, but his record aligns closest on core principles. Wow. That's
- kind of uh that's that I think that's why people are so drawn to you that you're you may be the only person in Congress who's consistent. Well, um, you
- know, I support the obviously the first amendment, second amendment, fourth amendment, the 10th a fourth amendment is privacy, 10th amendment is states rights, but I also support the seventh
- amendment and the eth amendment. These are amendments in the bill of rights that people have long since forgotten. What is the seventh amendment? The right to a jury trial. They're trying to get
- immunity for data centers, for pesticides, uh, for big tech when they steal inventions from little guys. They're trying to get all kinds of
- immunity and prevent jury trials. This is this is something that's not even on people's radar, but it has shown up on radar and we've been successful in we
- got it struck from the farm bill. They were trying to put immunity for glyphosate in there, which is an herbicide. Uh and so I stand up for the
- seventh amendment. What's the eth amendment? Cruel and unusual punishment. Look, Ross Albrech was sentenced to two life sentences plus 40 years. And um I
- was one of the people along with Ross's mom and and a lot of grassroots folks, libertarians and bit Bitcoin people who convinced Trump to pardon Ross
- Albbrrich. So that was a violation of the eth amendment. U and these are these are things that you know I'm for the whole constitution and the entire bill
- of rights. So So let me just finish this graa this is kind of amazing. Uh just to get back
- to this and what you're really up against. Uh so so they asked Grock if Thomas Massiey's is Thomas Massiey's opponent funded by donors who appear in
- the Epstein files and be very concise. Now we already you already showed you that Grock says that Thomas Massie is the one candidate that aligns with the
- Constitution. And boy, I hate it when technology designed to lie to humanity and enslave them winds up telling the truth anyway. There's no holiday bonus
- for AI Grock this year. But uh so the question is, is your opponents now funded by donors who appear in the Epstein files? And of course, yes. Grock
- says yes. Thomas Massiey's main opponent is supported by the MAGA Kentucky Super PAC. It has received funding from John Paulson, who you mentioned, whose name
- appears in the Epstein black book. Other key backers include Miriam Adlesen and Paul Singer via related packs. And uh so
- this is really you're it's kind of a fight against the Epstein class, is it not? You're >> Oh, abs. >> Absolutely. Look, John Pollson, he's there's an email or several emails from
- him to Jeffrey Epstein asking him for $50,000 to honor Howard Lutnik, who claimed not to be uh somebody who went
- to the island or visited with Jeffrey Epstein, but obviously we know that's false. Howard Lutnik, by the way, is the Secretary of Commerce who's oftentimes in the background on Air Force One
- whispering into the president's ear. So, um, you know, if these if the donors weren't going to Epstein Island, they
- were definitely having dinner with the people who did go to Epstein Island. And it's all one big class of people. By the way, they're not that partisan. You
- know, they um they don't identify with the parties because they believe they're above politics. They're above the law. They're above the judges. And so far,
- they have been. I mean, they need to be brought to justice. I'm glad we got, you know, Rohan and I got three million files. We forced the release of them. We
- forced the DOJ to unredact some of those files that have been improperly redacted. We got more work to do. But we need to see in the United States what
- we've seen in Great Britain, Norway, and France where they are actually prosecuting, arresting, and investigating prime ministers, uh, ambassadors, princes, and ministers of
- culture. So tell me how much more money and where is that money coming from that's going to your opponent? Where is the money coming from and how much more
- money have they raised? >> So I think all in by the time it's over. So some of this reporting is delayed, right? But we can see it in real time
- when we see them by TV ads. So even before it's disclosed to the FEC, we can see the TV ads being bought. I think we're at about 15 million from the other
- side if you count it. It's all coming from Apac. Okay. They've got a a super PAC called United Democracy Project,
- UDP, which typically is played in Democrat elections. Okay. But now, this is how desperate they are. They're using a Democrat super PAC against me. And
- then um and that one belongs to Apac, which is not a super PAC. Apac stands for American Israel Public Affairs Committee, not Political Action
- Committee. Um the RJC, which is Republican Jewish Coalition Coalition, which it should be named the the uh
- Republican >> Netanyahu Coalition. >> Yeah. No, go ahead. No kidding. >> Yeah. And Kufi, this is an interesting one. Christians United for Israel. This
- is the attempt of the Israeli government to co-opt US evangelicals. And they've done so uh successfully. So there's a
- hundred billboards, I think, in my district. That's what they claim to have put up. They definitely spent at least $100,000 on billboards. Christians
- United for Israel trying to go after me as part of this coalition. And then finally, we can track the hard dollars. Even though Apac's tried to hide this uh
- we can track hard dollars. Almost all the hard dollars going to my opponent's individual campaign are funneled through Apac because they use a rather unique
- payment vendor called Democracy Engine. This is uh not a payment vendor that Republicans use. Republicans use things
- like Winred or some nonpartisan payment vendor like Anidot, which is what I use. But he's reported $50,000 of expenses
- per quarter to Democracy Engine. So at 5% if they charge that to to on the billing of the credit card, that means a million dollar every quarter has gone
- through Apac's preferred uh payment vendor to my opponent. And so how much money have you raised so far? And you're and you're in the middle of doing what they call a money bomb,
- right? >> Yeah, we've raised um and through the reporting of last quarter, we raised over $5 million through the last report.
- And the average donation is $94. What does that mean? That means most of the donations are $20, $5, $10, $50. And
- then occasionally somebody with the means gives us the max, which is $3500. So it evens out to under $100 even with
- those big max donors averaged in. And we've made we've raised $5 million that way. But this week alone, we put out we
- put up the bat signal. We said we're doing a money bomb. We start a Monday at 9:00 a.m. and we have raised a million dollars from thousands of donors all
- over the country. And I get criticized. They say, "Well, Congressman Massie, 95% of your donations are from outside of Kentucky." Yeah, but we have over a
- thousand donors in Kentucky and my opponent only has about a hundred donors in Kentucky. >> No kidding. >> Yeah. >> A hundred donors. Okay. And so I think
- this your race is really important. probably the most important one in this current uh situation that we're in right now because we're in the middle of a war
- for Israel that could very easily trigger a world war with bringing in Russia and China and it's already uh
- putting a big hurt on the global economy and our economy too. Gas prices have been doubling and people are out outraged over it and so but most pe most
- people running federally are afraid of the money. We got pro-Israel money, not only just Apac, but people like the big donors like Miriam Madson and other
- people. They're afraid of that. And so that's how they get them to get in line because if anybody goes against the uh Zionist agenda, uh they're immediately
- what they're trying to do to you. They're immediately bombed with money and they're uh they're driven out. And so if you could if I think this is very
- important because if you can show you could actually have integrity stand up to the Israel lobby and win it will give it will probably change the 28 election.
- Don't you think? >> Oh absolutely. Look and and by the way the the site that you go to is massimmoneybomb.com if you want to participate in this
- national referendum. And to your point, it is a referendum on whether the lobbyists for Israel can the billionaires can buy a seat in Kentucky,
- can buy a congressional seat. And a lot of my colleagues in Congress are watching this race and they want to know, can somebody can a Republican
- survive? Because right now the Republican party, with the exception of me, um, and Marjorie Taylor Green, who's now left, so with the exception of me,
- is monolithic in its support for more wars in the Middle East and a policy that's been dominated, a foreign policy that's been dominated by Israel. And
- that's what the referendum is. And there will be my some of my colleagues on a few different bills, by the way, sometimes they felt empowered to speak
- up. There was one bill that was trying to define anti-semitism by pointing to a website that's in Germany. It's not even in the United States. I'm like, well, if
- you got a definition of anti-semitism, put it in the bill. Don't put it in a URL and put that in the bill. That's the most ridiculous thing I ever saw. But that definition of anti-semitism
- outlawed passages in the New Testament. And that's when a few of my colleagues stepped out, maybe a couple dozen in the Republican side, and said, "Whoa, hold on a second. You want to try to outlaw
- Christianity that's speaking of certain passages in the New Testament. But you'll see more people like that stand up to some of these ridiculous some of
- them are binding resolutions we pass in the Congress. Some of them are non-binding. They call me an obstructionist, Jimmy. But but listen,
- when a bill passes 420 to one and I'm the only one like how much obstructing did I do on that day? Not not a lot of obstruction there. But what I do is I
- impose transparency. It's like a scratch on a new car. And they want to know what how it got there. And so they go look on my social media and I explain what's in
- that bill. And people after they read my explanation, they wonder what the hell the other 420 were smoking that day. >> Yeah, that's that's not exactly
- obstruction, but that that's you know, they you know, it's like when they call people who are telling the truth about COVID, they call them a conspiracy theorist. they call you an
- obstructionist even though you don't really have that kind of power to obstruct. So this is just something to kind of smear you with and kind of dismiss you with. Now um let's let's
- move on a little bit. Uh so now that the hunter virus is a big deal right now and uh so now here's Dr. Robert Malone who
- was uh no matter what the Atlantic magazine says he was the inventor of the mRNA platform. He was the first one to do that. And of course the he didn't
- invent the COVID vaccine, but he invented the platform that it was built on. And he's got patents on many vaccines and he's one of the leading uh
- people in that field. And so here's what he tweeted out yesterday. He said, "Your odds of being struck by lightning are more than seven times greater than
- getting hunter virus in the USA. About 250 people get struck by lightning each year. There are about 35 cases per year of hunto virus in the he meant to say
- USA in the USA. 35 cases a year in the USA with about 12 deaths per year on average. Obviously hunto virus shouldn't
- be a big concern for the vast majority of Americans. But I turned on CNN and here's what CNN is saying >> and and and what a quarantine might
- really mean in context of the long incubation period. And we have a question from one of our viewers. Uh they ask it's said that it can take eight weeks to become symptomatic. The
- passengers shouldn't be allowed into the public until they're completely cleared. You know what do do you is that a fair way to look at this? I mean how long do
- you think people should be quarantined who are either on that ship or in contact with someone who is there? >> Yeah. I mean this is the big challenge
- with this virus the long incubation period and now we have people scattered really around the globe that are being properly tracked isolated quarantined and get it under control but what they
- did was they quarantined and isolated people for 40 days because of the long incubation period. So unfortunately this is a a key factor in us trying to figure
- out how do we keep people safe? How do we prevent further spread? I mean what we're all tracking right now is that potential secondary spread and then how do we minimize those who are infected
- from infecting others. >> So there is again CNN being completely alarmist about another pandemic and wanting people to be quarantined and
- trying to scare the hell out of everybody at the behest of certainly big pharma which pays 70% of their bills. Uh what's what's your reaction to this
- hunto virus p uh pandemonium? Look, this is an IQ test and it may just be a memory test. Do you remember monkey pox?
- Do you remember bird flu? Do you remember every time they've tried to bring back the COVID lockdowns? The laptop class longs for the days when
- they could just sit at home and order their crap on Amazon and get their groceries delivered, never go out and see anybody and collect a paycheck um
- and and have it their way. And look, we don't need to go back to that. That was a complete failure. the whole response to to CO and don't let them bring it
- back. This is an IQ test at this point and >> um even the so the WH is in on it too. So no so one of the good things they did
- was they pulled this Trump administration they pulled us out of the WH. I mean in my in my estimation that was a good thing. Uh and here is uh the
- World Health Organization is now openly saying that the Hunter virus outbreak proves why the world needs centralized global health control. Let's listen to
- just a few seconds of this. >> But how does that translate in a global solidarity? I will let time to tell but we really need this incident this
- outbreak has seen why the world needs a global entity that coordinates this the Argentina support how they came forward. So what he said was this outbreak of
- hunter virus which again as Dr. Robert Malone says you have a greater chance of being hit by lightning than catching this. The WH is now currently saying
- this is proof that we need a central health organization for the world like the WH. Do you have a response to that? >> Yeah, the WH is the first cousin of the
- WF the World Economic Forum and um these and those are the Epstein class. Look, there are a class of billionaires who
- once in Bill Gates included uh the and by the way, the CEO of the World Economic Forum had to resign over the
- Epstein files recently. But they're all first cousins. They all want more control. They will not let any crisis go
- to waste. And they'll manufacture a crisis if they don't have one already because fear is the biggest motivator of people and they know it. And so that's
- all this is. They're it's a power grab based on fear. People's fear of their own their health and well-being. And the reality is you'd be a whole lot
- healthier if you just ignore these folks. Eat good food. U stay out of the hospital if you can and stay off the
- medications if you can and quit letting them poison our food with no liability. Uh, and by the way, um, I I I'm told
- that, uh, Ivormekin will treat this if you if you worry about it. But of course, I'm sure they're going to lie about that. Now, I just wanted to run
- past since we're on the subject of the World Health Organization and Hunter virus and the next uh, scare fake pandemic. Robert John, Ron Johnson,
- Senator Ron Johnson has figured out that this that the government is really was hiding the safety signals that were supposed to alert people to the toxicity
- and the and the danger of the COVID vaccine. Let's play a few seconds of him. >> My staff and and I conducted a little little calculation. We looked at okay,
- what is the number of deaths per dose for COVID injection? was 25.5 deaths per million doses for the flu
- about46. So CO injections at a 55fold increase in deaths per million doses and still FDA
- officials hid behind that algorithm and they told the people they're actually treating for what they diagnose as injection
- injuries. They told them we're not seeing safety signals. So that uh he was recently just yesterday cancelled. He
- was supposed to be on CNN and once they found out he was going to talk about that CNN who's now in the middle of uh scaring everybody about Hunter virus uh
- cancelled his uh appearance because of that. And what he's referring to is that the government hid those safety signals that data and that which showed how
- dangerous and toxic the COVID vaccine actually was. And what they they didn't use veyes. They didn't use the new system they invented. They ended up comparing the Mona vaccine to the Fiser
- vaccine. That was how they it was the craziest algorithm. Exactly what he talks about. What what do you do you think we'll ever see uh some some kind
- of uh accountability for what they did in CO and the lies they did? >> Well, this is something I know a little about. Um, I did depose the two top FDA
- officials, Marian Gruber and Philip Krauss, each with 30 years of vaccine approval experience. And then I deposed their boss, Peter Marx, who fortunately
- now is fired or resigned in shame. I'm not sure which happened there, but fortunately, he's gone. But the reason you should know those names, Marian
- Guber and Philip Krauss, is they were forced out of the FDA. They were the top officials who were responsible for safety and efficacy claims. And what
- they determined was they needed more time to to give the lure uh agreement to the vaccine manufacturers and they also
- had the audacity to say that not everybody was going to need a booster. So what happened they by the way the government needed the full lure not the
- emergency use authorization they needed the full lure in order to to pervade these mandates on everybody and and these two scientists were told that but
- what happened to these two scientists they were forced out of the FDA and who took over their job a freaking cardiologist who's not an immunologist
- not a vaccinologist he took over their jobs and approved the vaccine having no experience and what Did they do did they use the outside panel to consult with
- them? No. They said, "We got to do this so quickly. We're going to skip steps." The other big crime that happened during COVID was complete and total ignoring of
- natural immunity, which is better. I mean, I'm not saying suggesting that for any given uh malady that you'd want to
- contract it, but if you've already contracted it, just like George Washington and the smallox inoculation, he didn't take the small pox inoculation
- because he had small pox as a teenager. Like we've known about this since the beginning of time. And so, um, you know, that was the other big crime was they
- forced it on everybody because they said that natural immunity doesn't work. And that's a lie. I have uh signed a document that says that we need to take
- these vaccines off the market and more public officials should do that because you by the way you also had this guy Peter Marx. He should have been
- prosecuted for what he did. He was above Marian Gruber and Philip Krauss at the FDA. He went out and said things that would have gotten Fizer put in jail or
- Madna put in jail. He made claims of efficacy and safety that not even the manufacturers were allowed to make. and the FDA became cheerleaders for a drug
- instead of regulators for a drug. >> And so now now you know there was RFK Jr. is of course a a lawyer, but he's
- also an expert on this and he was talking about uh how this this should be pulled off the market. now at that he's
- the uh at at Health and Human Services, his hands are it seems to me that he's completely being shackled uh by Donald
- Trump and uh his administration and he's not allowed and and and so he's actually now reversed what he used to say and now
- he's saying that the COVID vaccine is safe and effective. And I my position is uh Robert Kennedy would be doing much
- better if he was outside the government and suing the government and suing big pharma and suing makers of glyphosate instead of being forced to protect those
- people on the and those entities on the inside of government. Uh do you have any kind of response to that? >> I'm I am still a fan of Bobby Kennedy.
- He was a friend of mine before he took this job. He wanted Trump to make me the secretary of agriculture. And what I told Bobby Kennedy before even the
- election, I said, "My concern is not that uh you won't that Trump won't win the election and you won't become Secretary of HHS. My concern is that
- that happens and you've underestimated how hard it is to battle the swamp." And he pointed out, rightfully so, that he had battled some big corporations in
- courtrooms and won. And so that he was up for it. But what he tried to point out to him was these are one-sided battles in administration. There's no
- judge and jury. It's it's doggy dog cutthroat once you get inside of an administration. And I'm sure every day they're trying to undermine him. So I
- still believe in his heart he's he knows what the right thing is to do and he's trying to do the right thing and he's operating under all the constraints that
- would just crush anybody else. So you know for instance the prep act which gives indemnity not just to vaccines but to the mask makers to the test the the
- swabs that go up in your nose to rem desave everything that was used and oftent times used to the detriment of the patients is indemnified by the prep
- act and it would it's actually a declaration of the secretary of HHS as to whether there is a pandemic emergency
- and somebody asked me could he Could he repeal that by himself? He actually could. He could do that today. The problem is that Susie Wilds would
- probably repeal him on the same day for doing it. So, I I don't know. I think he's between a rock and a hard place. Yeah, that's it's clear that, you know,
- just like people like Tulsi and Joe Kent and they're they're all in between a rock and a hard plate be because Donald Trump's uh campaign turned out to be the
- biggest con since uh Nigerian princes learned how to email. And um anyway, we we really appreciate your time. We uh we
- encourage people. I don't know if I'm even allowed to do that, but >> I'll do it. You don't you didn't give me permission. massivemoneybomb.com. Uh, I know it's a live show and you
- can't stop me, but um, if you can go to massmoneybomb.com, that would be helpful because right now, this weekend, I'm about 10 days away
- from the election and we're deciding how much mail and how many TV ads we can buy this weekend for the final push and it really is a referendum. Here's what the
- race is about. whether you're gonna have some globalist billionaire elites, the kind that run the WH and the WF and are
- go to Epstein Island, whether those people get to buy a seat in Congress and place a rubber stamp, a virtual puppet uh in Congress, or whether the people of
- Kentucky get to choose their person. And in order for this to be a fair fight, I need your support so I can get on TV and get get in the the living rooms and the
- kitchens of these people. >> Oh, okay. Fantastic. Uh, thank you so much for your time. Uh, you know, you're the perfect example. The message of this
- show is that that, you know, even the leftight paradigm is a construct by the oligarchy to keep us divided. Because if
- we realize we have more in common that divides us, we'll come together and fight the WF globalist billionaires and the handful of billionaires that actually run Congress and run things.
- And uh so I think you're the perfect example. I don't agree with you on all policy policies, but I agree with you on some very major big things. And as
- Frederick Douglas said, I'll join with anyone to do good and no one to do bad. And so I'm joined with you to do good. And I really appreciate your courage and
- sticking your chin out. And uh best of luck buddy. >> Hey man, thank you Jimmy. >> Okay, over to Steph. >> All right, that was fantastic. We're so
- fortunate to have Massie here today and we definitely hope for him to not get out of the ballpark and it looks like it's dependent on the support of people.
- So, um let me make sure you can see that. Let me I'll pin his his Let's see. Let's see. I want to pin it.
- Why won't it let me pin it? All right, here we go, ladies and gentlemen. Everything's a scam. Everything's a lie. Everything's hypocrisy. And so maybe
- don't comply, right? The hunter virus. What the flip? I mean, really, seriously, do they think that we're just all going to forget what
- happened during CO 19? And we're like, oh my god, the Hunter virus boy.
- I just donated to Massie and Sant. Thank you and double uh due diligence for bringing attention to these races. Mr.
- CR Extra, thank you for that one, amigo. Keep on keeping on representative Massie. That's from Heya,
- let's go with this. Remember to get your booster shots for lightning strikes. Come on, Roshack user. We need an independent president in 2028. I'll vote
- for this guy if nobody else steps up at candidate 451. Thank you for that. And I got this uh this note recently.
- And it says uh Mr. Door and the subject line is pro Palestine organizations, influencers, and journalists all fail to
- make a call to action. Most Americans support Palestine, but they rarely translate it into voting action because
- pro Palestine organizations, influencers, and independent journalists always fail to make the actual call to action before elections. In addition to
- reporting the news of the genocide and general messages like stop the war that most Americans support but don't act on in their voting, making the following
- calls to action on social media, streaming blogs, emails, notifications, t-shirts, signs, ads, and other channels before the midterm elections. Vote out
- your Zionist politicians. Vote out Zionist congressmen. And this one says, "Congressman Smith, a call to
- action, a fundamental marketing technique of using a short phrase, i.e. buy now, vote for, vote out, etc. to prompt audience to take a specific action like purchasing a product,
- supporting a cause, or or voting a uh for a or against a politician. Zionist controlled politicians always vote for
- pro-Zionist laws. And the only way to change the pro-Zionist US policies is to vote out the Zionist controlled
- politicians. A simple call to action, vote out your Zionist politicians. If repeated systemically produces the
- effect of people not only sympathizing with Palestine, but also voting to produce actual change in Congress. And um Salam, peace, longtime supporter.
- Really appreciate that. That's a critical point in your voting habits, folks. And you know, for those
- of you that still vote, I understand. Who you going to vote for? The flu nearly completely disappeared for those
- years. Inventor, investor. Yeah. What happened to the flu during CO? Right. No flu. And anybody who died was instantly
- said they died from CO. Why? Why was that? How much money did they get for all of that? All right, let's go over here. Yes, ladies and
- gentlemen, we are going to do 9:30 Pacific time on Fridays. And actually, I already got I saw a couple chatters that
- said, "Thanks uh for doing an early show and they're in Europe." Uh I saw somebody from Scotland specifically. Hello, friends from Scotland. All right.
- Um let's see. Let's see here what I've got, folks. Let's see. Yes, sir.
- >> Oh, hold on. Lots of things for my daughter. Can I? Lots of things for my daughter. Can I? How much can I say without me knowing? Do you know my math?
- Do you know my question? Do you know where I am? That's what I'm asking. Can you ask me my name is Pop Corn Pop? I'm not sure what this is all about, but thank you. All right, we'll be right
- back.
- Donald Trump had made the biggest blunder that any president has made, maybe ever. It would be smart of him to declare victory and pull out. I don't
- think he's going to do that. >> So, there's nothing but bad options here. The problem is Donald Trump is completely controlled by Benjamin Netanyahu. There's no doubt about this.
- He has to resist. Everybody in his cabinet said don't do the Iran war. Everybody in his cabinet said don't do it except of course for mental case headset. Everybody else said don't do
- it. The chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said don't. General Kaine said don't do it. Marco Rubio said don't do it. JD Vance said don't do it. Of course you know Tulsi. Everybody said don't do
- this. And he did it anyway because Benjamin Netanyahu said do it. Even the head of the CIA Recipe said don't do it. They all said no. And who did he listen
- to? Benjamin Netanyahu. Why? Because he's owned by them. They've got something on him.
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- What? >> All right, coming live at Jimmy. >> How was that? >> You're silly. Um, my wife is uh No, you don't want me
- to say anything? >> No. >> My wife My wife is silly. My wife is silly, stupid, silly. Uh, anyway, uh, I'm here with uh, uh,
- one of our favorite guests, Scott Ritter, one-time Marine intelligence officer who served in the former Soviet Union, implementing arms control agreements from 91 to 98. He served as
- the chief inspector for the United Nations in Iraq, leading the search for Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Didn't find any. He was later a vocal critic of the American decision to go to
- war in Iraq. He's also the best-selling author of nine books, his latest Highway to Hell, the Armageddon Chronicles, 2015 and 2024. Welcome back to the show,
- Scott Ritter. >> Thank you very much for having me. >> Thanks for being on, Scott. I always appreciate you accommodating our schedule. It's always nice to This is my
- uh Judge Npalitano impersonation. I hope you appreciate you're always very kind and generous. You know, we always appreciate your insights and so it's amazing. Uh Scott, so I wanted to uh get
- right to it. Um I saw this tweet by our friend Furkin. He says, "The Pentagon is in absolute panic mode. Al Jazera completely exposes US Central Command
- for dodging basic questions about massive damage to American vessels. The Trump administration recklessly fired on a tanker and sparked a retaliation. And
- Trump is hiding a massive failure. Let's listen. >> Well, that's right. And I should point out that uh we here at Alazer have reached out to US Central Command to try
- and get uh the US take on what exactly occurred in the Strait of Hormuz in the last couple of hours. Our response was
- that uh they had nothing to offer us. In other words, they didn't confirm it nor did they deny it. And we should point out that when it comes to Iran state
- broadcaster, there have been reports of damage to US vessels before. Uh the United States has always denied or minimized that. And so it's really
- unclear right now exactly just what has occurred. But as you reported at the start of the bulletin, uh this
- escalation has come on the heels of the United States firing on Iranian tanker just one day earlier. And so uh there is
- certainly uh an incident that potentially has prompted the Iranians to now retaliate against the United States. But again, the United States central
- command not confirming nor is it. >> Okay. So, Scott, do do you have any uh and this is from yesterday. Do you have
- any information uh that can confirm or deny this report? >> No, I don't have a hotline to central command, so I uh I wish I did, but if I
- did, they they probably wouldn't tell me anyways. Um you know, I I would heir on the side of
- um the Iranians being over um optimistic. Um, I do believe they engaged our ships. Our ships have some
- very sophisticated um, you know, self-defense capabilities. Uh, the important thing here isn't whether or not they um, you know, actually hit a
- ship and did damage, although that would be a very big story. It's that they made the ships turn around and run away. um you know that they the apparently the
- attacks overwhelmed the uh defenses to the point that they had to use the close-in weapon system basically the failank 20mm Gatling gun um in a
- desperate effort to stop the Iranian missile from hitting the ships you know and the Gatling gun only has a finite amount of ammunition it burns it can
- cycle through that ammunition in 30 seconds so had a second wave been launched and uh and and broken through the the missile defense barriers, the
- ships would have been helpless and so they had to leave. Um and this just again underscores the fact that uh Iran is in complete control of the straight
- of Hormuz and the United States Navy is powerless to change that uh equation. Well, uh, speaking to that point, the Washington Post reports that the US
- intelligence says Iran can outlast Trump's Hormuz blockade for months. And, uh, John Hudson did a a nice summary of
- this. Uh confidential CI analyst delivered the policymakers this week concludes that Iran can survive the US naval blockade for at least three to
- four months before facing more severe economic hardship, finding that contradicts those hailing an imminent collapse. The US intel also indicates
- that Iran retains about 75% of its pre-war inventories of mobile launchers and about 70% of its pre-war
- stockpiles of missiles per a US official. The regime has also been able to recover underground storage facilities and repair damaged missiles.
- And and here is uh from the report. One of the US officials said they thought Iran's capacity to sustain prolonged economic hardship is far greater than
- even the current CIA estimate. The leadership has gotten more radical, determined, and increasingly confident that they can outlast US political will
- and sustained domestic repression to check any resistance inside Iran. The official said comparatively you see similar regimes lasting years under
- sustained embargos and air power only wars. What's your what's your response to this report? >> Well, I would say that the CIA doesn't
- have good u insight into Iran uh to to begin with. Um you know, we've burned through um three human intelligence
- networks over the years. Uh and when I say burned through, that means that they were compromised and all of our spies on the ground were captured and killed. Um,
- so we've been relying upon Israeli uh, intelligence. U, that's what got us in this war to begin with. Bad Israeli intelligence. So what we're looking here
- is a CIA assessment um, of, you know, open source information, no spectacular insights. Um, and the CIA is prejudiced
- against Iran. the um even though these assessments are, you know, show Iran to be in a better position than the White House has spun it, I would say that Iran
- is in a better position than the CIA is reporting. It's not three to four months. Iran can last indefinitely. People tend to forget that Iran has been
- laboring under uh you know, US sanctions and restrictions on its oil economy for for 47 years. Um this isn't their first
- rodeo. uh their first fluctuation in market realities. They know how to deal deal with this. It also ignores the fact that um you know a great deal of Iran's
- oil production is consumed domestically. Um that they they aren't necessarily held hostage to uh to to the you know
- the the the closure of the strait as much as people might think. They have other ways to uh to get oil to market. Um you right now uh the Pakistani
- Iranian border uh looks like something out of Mad Max with all the oil tankers going back and forth. Um you know and and you know the Iranians have mastered
- oil smuggling routes. Uh they're not panicked at all. The Iranians I have spoken to um say that there is no panic
- in in Iran about u there or the people that are panicked are the Gulf Arab states, Kuwait for instance, who shipped zero oil last month. They're the ones
- running the storage problems. Same thing with uh Saudi Arabia. Same thing. United Amits, they're the ones that face, you know, uh oil field closure and
- maintenance issues. Uh so the the CIA is wrong on on the missiles. Um, I would just refer to Puh for Foreign Minister Iraqi's response. He said, "We're not at
- 75%, we're at 120%." Meaning that Iran has far more capability today than they had when the war started. That reflects
- the reality that the United States hasn't destroyed anywhere near what we claim to have destroyed. And that Iran took their missile production
- underground. They've been building missiles during the war and they're building missiles now. They have more missiles today of a more modern variety
- than what they started the war with. >> So, we got a a bit of uh breaking news. This is from Bricks just in. US Navy
- strikes Iranian commercial ship, leaving 10 injured and five missing. War monitor says large firefights between the US Navy and Iran have been taking place for
- an hour around the street of Hormuse. And uh here's what X says. Speaking ahead of a C-SPAN forum on ceasefires,
- Trump described a proposed deal that bars Iran from nuclear weapons, destroys missile stock piles, and reopens the straight of for moose for shipping. The
- comments came during a fragile 70-day ceasefire in the US Iran war, which began on the 28th after Iran's blockade and attacks on US vessels prompted
- American strikes under Operation Epic Fury. Iran has not confirmed any agreement, insisting on no concessions under threat, while Trump warned of
- escalation strikes if uh let's just and here's Marco Rubio. Uh only stupid countries shoot back when you're shot at
- and we're not a stupid country. What what does that mean? Uh so what uh let's listen. >> Well, but the point is if uh if there's
- not much seizing in the firing because we we >> Well, you should ask that of the Iranians. Don't ask me. We didn't fire. They fired on us. My point is, if you fire at a US Navy ship, what are we
- supposed to do? Say, "Oh, there's a ceasefire. We're not going to shoot down your drone." That's a stupid question. That's a stupid position to take. Of course, we fired back at them. They were shooting at us. That's what I would
- expect to do. Only stupid countries don't shoot back when you're shot at, and we're not a stupid country. >> Do you expect that there or have you conveyed any red lines to Iran?
- >> Well, f first of all, we are a very stupid uh country at the moment. Um, so what do you make of that? That Iran is according to Marco Rubio and reports
- that they are preempt they're they're the ones engaging the US ships. So what what do you make of that, Scott? >> Well, I I just I think we need to get
- back to foundations here, factual foundations. It was the United States and Israel that launched a surprise attack against Iran. This was a war of
- our choice, not Iran's choice. Um and you know the US has admitted this that that we preemptively struck Iran. Preempting what? We don't know the
- nuclear program that they were negotiating. Um you know so we started this war uh there was a ceasefire but then we continued the war by in you know
- instigating a blockade which is an active war. So, United States naval vessels in enforcing this blockade are
- engaged in active combat operations against Iran and the Iranians are firing on these US ships that are committing
- acts of aggression against Iran. Marco Rubio leaves that part out where we are literal pirates. The president bragged about it. He said, "We're sort of like pirates." Well, you are pirates. Um, and
- so any sovereign state that doesn't fire on pirates is a stupid sovereign state. And the Iranians aren't stupid. Uh, but
- Marco Rubio is stupid. He's ignorant of the facts. Um, and this is this is embarrassing. You know, this is one of
- the reasons why Sergey Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, has said that America is a agreement incapable. We're incapable of making and adhering to
- agreements because we s simply can't accept a a factbased data set. We live in a fantasy world of our own construct.
- And that's where Marco Rubio lives right now in a fantasy world of his own construct where we're the good guys and we're being fired on by the bad guys. He
- forgets that we started this war and those ships are involved in a blockade which is an act of war. And so what do you make of uh so now
- Trump claims Iran agreed to a nuclear ban. Do you think Iran will ever agree to not have uh enrichment capabilities
- for their uh for for energy and power, not a nuclear bomb? But do you think they'll ever agree to that? >> No. Donald Trump, first of all, is
- having conversations with himself. This is uh I I I I can say with absolute certainty um that the Iranians aren't uh
- this this is the Iranians aren't involved in any aspect of this uh conversation Donald Trump has. It's a conversation he's having with Israelis
- who are conversing with Pakistanis about wishful thinking. But the Iranians have made their position clear and they've never backed down on that position. Um
- so no uh and and the other thing people need to understand is we lost the war and I am sort of a student of history.
- Uh history shows me that the people who lose the war don't normally dictate the conditions of conflict termination. And so you have the United States who is
- humiliated by Iran 39 days after we started this war. We are the ones that sought a ceasefire. And now Trump is trying to spin this that we're the
- victors and we're imposing our will on Iran. Iran has been consistent throughout about their nuclear program. They will not give it up. End of story.
- And Donald Trump, again, he lives in a fantasy world of his own construct. These are conversations he's having with himself.
- So, um, well, do you, it doesn't seem like there's going to be an end to this anytime soon. There's there's story
- after story from today, right now, uh, credible sources saying that Iran has sealed an uh, seized an oil taker, that
- there uh, that the United States disabled two more, this is from US Scent Command, that the US had disabled two more vessels, violating the blockade. Of
- course, we know now that Marco Rubio was talked that the Iran has fired on US ships. We fired back. What What What is
- Why are Why isn't Why is nobody abiding by this ceasefire? And what do you do you see that this is going to end anytime soon? >> Well, first of all, there was never a
- real ceasefire because the United States immediately followed up by carrying out an act of war. Um, Iran is doing its best to adhere to this ceasefire, but
- you know, again, uh, they're not going to, uh, you know, yield to American demands. America says they must, you know, open the straight of Hormuz.
- Iran's not going to do that until they actually have a peace agreement. Um, Donald Trump is, you know, trying to,
- you know, it's a standard bluster. He he he he likes to say things, say things, say things. And then uh you know he he didn't earn the nickname taco for no
- reason. Um he will chicken out and he has no choice in this matter because the American economy is about to collapse.
- Um I I haven't confirmed it with my own eyes, but I got somebody sent me a a text. Uh the price of gas in South Bronx
- was $645 a gallon. Um uh that's precipitous. That was $4.65 65 cents when I uh when I left
- yesterday. So uh but this is reflective of the reality that oil is going through the roof. There is no oil. 22% of the world's energy has been denied access to
- the market for you know many months now. The last uh tanker carrying Middle East uh energy arrived in California last
- week. Um there's nothing coming behind it. There's going to be energy shortages. There's going to be an energy crisis. uh Lufansza canceled 20,000
- flights because there is no jet fuel. Other um European carriers are cancelling flights because they can't afford the jet fuel. We don't know what
- the impact will be on the American uh air carriers, but I can tell you that in this peak air travel season, uh if we if
- they do have fuel, Americans are going to be paying through the nose. I just bought a ticket. I had to pay onethird of the price of the ticket in a fuel search charge because of the um the fact
- that the price of fuel has gone through the the the roof. Um when diesel goes insane, uh truckers are going to stop driving because they're not going to
- make any money. They're going to be, you know, the cost of of of shipping won't offset the cost of the of the diesel. And then, you know, we're going to be looking at absolute paralysis, economic
- paralysis. That's what's going to drive Donald Trump to accept the deal. He's just going to try and spin it in a way that makes it look like it's a victory for him and not a defeat. But, you know,
- Bill Clinton, you know, his campaign in 1992 gave us the perhaps the the best insight into the, you know, the the political truth of the American people.
- It's the economy, stupid. >> And that's ultimately what's going to move the needle here, the economy. And our economy is going in the absolute
- wrong direction because of the consequences of this war. >> Yeah. people are Donald Trump has already lost the majority of the country
- on inflation and it's because of people go to the gas pump and they see what's happening and it's uh as Donald Trump would say not good. Um let me ask you
- this. Uh so let me so according to Mario Nefal he says Saudi Arabia refused US access to its bases and air space for
- project freedom forcing Trump's suspension of the operation per NBC news citing two US officials Trump surprised
- Gulf allies by announcing Project Freedom on social media on last Sunday afternoon without coordinating it with
- them first. Saudi Arabia was furious. The kingdom informed the US it would not allow the US military to fly aircraft from Prince Sultan air base southeast of
- Riyad or fly through Saudi airspace in support of the operation. A direct call between Trump and Crown Pis Prince
- Muhammad bin Salman did not uh resolve the issue. Uh any uh any response to that?
- Yeah, first of all, that's a uh what I believe to be a gross exaggeration of reality. Um the United States has uh you
- know basing agreements with Saudi Arabia and those come with status of forces agreement. But the bottom line is when American aircraft operate out of Saudi
- uh air bases, there has to be a a measure of coordination that takes place. What happened here is that uh Donald Trump announced an operation uh
- that hadn't been coordinated with the Saudis. And so the Saudis basically said, "You're you need to file the appropriate paperwork. You need to, you
- know, perform in accordance with the agreement before we let these planes take off." Once the United States corrected that error, uh the bases are
- the bases are open today. American aircraft are flying today. Um, you know, this this is a story that's been being spun the wrong way. Uh, there was a
- temporary hiccup through a lack of coordination that's since been overcome. >> Okay. Any truth to the idea that the the
- the Navy officers are not following Trump orders or they've threatened to not follow Trump's orders. >> I would be very surprised at this. Um, I
- I it's first of all It's that's just not how it works. The president doesn't pick up the phone and uh and order um you know Navy captains
- to move ships. The president um will you know indicate what he wants done. The chairman of the joint chiefs of staff
- will work with the president to come up with a plan. Uh Pete Hegsth will uh sit in on this. Um and then an operations
- plan will be developed and um the the the military will be told to execute this operation. Um you know so the idea
- that uh you know Trump has said you know called up a a Navy destroyer captain and said sail to the straight and he said no sir I won't do that. That's absurd. The
- Navy will obey the orders they're given if they're lawful orders. And uh but what the Navy will do is push push back on bad on bad concepts. For instance, um
- you know, they'll the president says, "I want you to escort shipping through the straight or moose." The Navy will say, "Sir, if we do this, um there's a good
- chance we're going to get fired upon and and sunk. Uh we would not recommend doing this at this time." And you know, and and then the president will alter his orders. But what we've seen here is
- that the Navy is obeying the orders on on two days in a row now. The Navy is closing in on the straight or moving pressure on the Iranians. The Iranians
- are firing back. Apparently, there's an ongoing firefight as we speak. That's not indicative of the Navy saying no. That's an indicative of the Navy officers obeying their orders and
- carrying out their mission to the best of their abilities. >> Okay, let's just briefly be before we say goodbye, let's any update on what's
- happening inside of uh the Ukraine Russia conflict. >> Well, I'll tell you what, Jimmy. I mean, last night I'm here in Washington DC.
- That's why you see um this different background. Um the hotel um but I last night I attended the victory day celebration. Um I've attended four in a
- row now, four years in a row. And victory day is a huge uh a huge day for the for the Russians. Uh it's the day they defeated Nazi Germany, the day
- Berlin fell. Uh they got the unconditional surrender. Last night was the most militant victory day I've ever attended. Um the the mood was grim. Um
- the speech by the ambassador was um aggressive. Um talking about unconditional surrender uh for the
- Ukrainians, uh talking about the inevitability of armed conflict with Germany, which he reclassified as the reemergence of the of Nazi ideology. Um,
- you know, and the the mood just seems to be the Russians are not going to be continuing the special military
- operation um, you know, hands tied behind their back approach. I think the Russians have made the decision now that it's time to bring this war to an end
- and they're going to move into a different gear. Um, and you see Midv's uh posting. Um, very aggressive. Very aggressive. Sergey Lavrov's uh words.
- Very aggressive. Um, I think we're about to see a a very dramatic departure from the norm. Uh, with Russia now applying
- um the totality of its strategic capabilities to Ukraine. This means that Ukrainian cities will be struck and destroyed. Um, Kiev will not look like
- it looks today. Um, if the Ukrainians are foolish enough to launch drones against Moscow tomorrow, I think you're going to see the greatest destruction of
- urban um, territory in Europe since the Second World War. Um, it will be devastating. It'll be tragic, but um, I
- can't say it's unavoidable given the what the Ukrainians are doing and what the Europeans are doing. I mean I know that uh you know Russia called for a ceasefire so they could
- have the celebration and it see apparently Ukraine abided by it didn't strike Moscow so they must and because the Moscow you know threatened to go
- ahead and um I wouldn't say obliterate but do heavy damage to Kiev if they did attack at that time. Um, so it seems
- like they they they must understand that Russia has the ability to to, you know, go in and and wipe out do serious damage
- to Kiev at whenever they feel like it. Um, and you're you're saying that that that that's coming. Is that what you're saying?
- >> Yeah. The the the parade is tomorrow. Um, the the embassy held their celebration last night, but the parade is tomorrow. Um, Ukraine, uh, the
- Russians offered a ceasefire starting today through tomorrow. Ukraine has committed over 400 violations of that ceasefire so far to include drone
- strikes against Russian cities inside Russia. So there's no indication that they're going to abide by the ceasefire tomorrow. Um, but the other thing is
- even if they don't launch on Moscow, I think Russia has made the decision that the Ukrainian leadership must be terminated uh because of these long
- range drone strikes that are striking Russian oil production facilities. These are being facilitated by uh NATO, by European nations that are
- building the drones, intelligence that guides the drones. And uh they're starting when I when I was in Russia in November, I interviewed a um a man who
- is in the government who um is involved in the security of Russia's energy infrastructure from drones. And at that
- time he indicated that it was more of a nuisance that the drone strikes uh looked bad on on on on the imagery but
- the reality is very little was destroyed and they were and the repairs were rapidly being made and bringing things back into play. Apparently that's not
- the case now. Apparently some real harm is being done. Some real damage is being done. Um, so this has made this an existential issue for Russia, which
- means that they have no choice but to change the calculation. They can't ride this out. They can't, you know, say, "Well, we'll we'll just be patient here." So even if Russia doesn't take
- Kiev off the map Saturday, I think the future of Kiev is grim. Um, I think that the Russians will strike Kiev decisively. Um, and other Ukrainian
- cities too. think this summer they are going to destroy Ukraine, destroy the Ukrainian leadership. If I were Zalinski, I would leave Ukraine and
- never go back because I think he is literally dead man walking. Boy, talk about a guy who's in a between a rock and a hard place, right? If he
- can continues the war, they'll kill him. If he doesn't, his own people will kill. You know, the the a >> Well, if he does another line of cocaine, maybe it'll make life a little bit easier for him.
- All right, Scott Ritter, I really appreciate you making We appreciate your time. Thank you very much. You're always accommodating our schedule. Uh the great insight, the great Scott Ritter. We
- appreciate you. Thank you very much, pal. >> Thanks a lot for having me. >> Okay, over to Steph. >> All right. Uh Jimmy, are you ready to go to Rumble?
- >> Yeah, I'm ready to >> All right, ladies and gentlemen, I will put that in the chat for you folks. Hold on, I will pin it. Pinning.
- All right, ladies and gentlemen, we will see you over at Rumple.