"They Want Me Gone": Massie on AIPAC, Trump & the Epstein Files (Today-ISH #44)

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Description: James and Dani of Today-ISH sit down with Massie as a $35M AIPAC onslaught targets his 2026 primary. Wide-ranging hour covers the Israel-lobby machine, Trump's turn against him, the Epstein files, Kash Patel, the Charlie Kirk question, and why he calls this the most consequential primary in American history.

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James and Dani of Today-ISH sit down with Massie as a $35M AIPAC onslaught targets his 2026 primary. Wide-ranging hour covers the Israel-lobby machine, Trump's turn against him, the Epstein files, Kash Patel, the Charlie Kirk question, and why he calls this the most consequential primary in American history.

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Wake me up when the interview start. >> Okay. All right. Awesome. Well, we have a very special guest on the show today.
>> He is a congressman from the state, the great state of Kentucky, >> Mr. Thomas Massie. >> Hey, great. Thanks for having me on.
>> All right. Well, >> thanks for giving me the comfy chair. >> Yeah, it's a nice chair. So, before we dive into all the all the nitty-gritty, I did promise Joe from Herb and
Thelma's, which I was at last night. He said he you were in his it's like the best they say it's the best burger at least in Northern Kentucky.
>> In Covington. >> In Covington, Kentucky. And he's like, I think he was in here. I was in there last night. I was whipping some votes for you. I think I got three votes for
you. And so they >> As long as you picked up the tab, you >> I picked up the tab for the entire place. I did. There was three people in there, so it wasn't too bad. But one, so
I did ask him like, you know, do you like Thomas Massie? Do you support him? Like, yeah, we like Thomas Massie because he's a fiscal conservative. But then they were like, but you know, he's
broken off from Trump a little bit, you know, in recent months. And so they're a little bit uneasy about that. So I guess the first question that I was, you know, wondering about is like, can you be pro-
MAGA and pro massie at the same time? How does that like how does that work? Well, the only places I've disagreed with Trump on are things that Trump
agreed with me on previously, and I'm just not changing my position, >> right? >> So, for instance, we thought we were going to get Doge and we were going to cut some spending, and so I'm for
cutting spending, but it turns out all the bills still increase spending above and beyond Joe Biden's budget. And then there was this program called FISA,
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They used to spy on Americans. In fact, they used it to spy on Trump. and he said, "We got to get warrants for Americans like the Constitution
requires." I agreed, but now he's changed his position. I'm sticking with the Fourth Amendment that you got to have warrants to spy on Americans. Um,
the Epstein files, we had a little disagreement there. >> Sure. >> To say the least. >> He finally saw it my way and signed my bill. Um, >> I'm glad you Well, that was that took a
lot of effort. That took a lot of courage, a lot of political will. And you're you're seeing the consequences of that right now, I think. >> Yes. I have the entire global Epstein
class after me. You don't take out the CEO of the World Economic Forum. You know, the guys that said we should eat bugs instead of beef >> and said that we should own nothing and
be happy about it. >> Claude Schwab. >> Yeah. He was the guy who replaced him as the CEO of World Economic Forum, a
Norwegian. He's gone. Took him out. >> Wow. >> With the Epstein fogs >> and and it's, you know, um >> Yeah. Seems like the international
community has taken more people out versus the US. I don't think anybody's really gotten into trouble domestically. >> There's been a few uh university
presidents and deans. >> Oh, Larry Summers. Okay. He resigned from his teaching job. Okay. >> And CEOs. Um you know, there's been some
accountability in the private sector. >> Yeah. >> But you're right. >> But no criminal zero >> any investig investigations. Yeah. >> And I'll tell you that's um I think Cash
Patel has to go before that can happen because he testified to me in the House in the Judiciary Committee and also in the Senate. He and Melania disagree on
this by the way. He says Epstein acted alone and then recently Melania walks up to a podium and says Epstein did not act alone. So she disagrees with the
president's FBI director. But in order for the FBI director to uh investigate or prosecute, he has to perjure himself. So, I think they need another FBI
director before we're going to get to the bottom of this. >> What do you think happened with Cash Patel? Because, you know, I voted for Trump. I was so excited for all the promises he made. Um, which is why we're
here from California. Me personally, because I feel like you actually act on all of the things that Trump ran on and I really appreciate that. I just want to say that. But I was like, "Oh, we need
Cash Patel. You know, he wants to, you know, minimize the FBI and do all these things." What the hell has gone on there? What has happened with that?
Well, the deep state is real. It is. Okay. And wait, and you mean the deep state like specifically the realness comes there people blackmailing these guys or doing
>> It's easier than that. Okay. >> It's easy. They don't I don't think Cash Mattel's been blackmailed. >> You don't think he's like his girlfriend is a honeypot? Is what you're saying?
>> I'm not I don't I don't talk about Listen, I'm not I'm not the guy that's going to talk about girlfriends right here. Okay. >> Okay. Yeah, for sure.
I might have made a few bad decisions myself um during that thank god brief period of time uh which was 16 months
where I was without a spouse. >> It was a difficult time. >> Well, I'd never dated in my life. Okay. And I've been married to my high school sweetheart and we met building science
projects together. And so when I lost her, I really wasn't clued in on what the dating scene was. So I'm not going to talk about anybody's girlfriend. Fair
enough. >> There's no there's no blackmail going on. What happens is you can't change an organization without changing the people. And if you looked at the
genetics of the FBI, the genetics are still 99% of the genetics of Joe Biden's FBI. Most of the people who were there
before are still there. >> And >> they're the ones who see the information first. They can kind of move files off
to the side. Right. >> And I think actually when Cash Patel testified that there was no information in those files that implicated anybody else, he hadn't read the files. That's
the first question I asked him. Did you read the files? He said, "Well, no. I got people working for me that have read them." And I thought, "Son of a [ __ ] Those are the same people that work for
Joe Biden. Why are you trusting them?" It's because he doesn't have time. And and it's so hard in a an administration. And there's so many laws that make it
hard to fire people that they just they should fire them anyway. But you can't you can't change an organization
overnight. And I think also when you're either like Pam Bondi, right, >> she handed out the Steam file binders.
>> That was a big Well, did do you think in that situation? Because my theory was that they thought that was going to be enough for the American people. They said, "Oh, great. We got the binders.
Let's move on to another thing." That that was my theory. And then people who actually studied this for years said, "No, no, no. These are all already public document. There's nothing in here."
>> So I think at that stage Pam Bondi was still trying to do the right thing. >> I think she turned to a bunch of people at the DOJ and and later she found out
she got conned by the FBI. There was a nasty nasty Graham sent to the FBI by the DOJ. You didn't give me the file. She tried to blame the FBI. Um, but I
think when she handed out these files, somebody had told her, "Miss attorney general, here are the files and she was like, "Oh, great. I'll I'll hand them out, right?" >> She didn't read them.
>> Uhhuh. >> And then it was she found out it wasn't them. She got a little bit mad, but I think somebody pulled her to the side and said, "No."
>> What is this with uh our politicians not reading things? >> Ah, because now >> I mean, >> they don't read the bills. I can tell you that. >> Well, now we have AI, right? If you want
to talk about a positive application of AI. Couldn't you put the bill in and said, would my constituents want me to vote for are there any conflicts of interest with anything that I've
promised my, you know, the people that I represent in this bill? What is it? That would be a good use of AI if we talk, you know, it is, but AI will lie to you.
>> That's true. >> Yeah. And so, you have to you can use it to get close and then you got to verify the answer. Sure. >> But I did I went five rounds with Grock
on this ethanol bill. Honestly. Yeah. Because it wasn't clear what the answer was >> and you get the people who are giving you information.
>> Every every lobbyist that comes into, you know, to try to tell me something about a bill. >> Yeah. >> The first question I ask myself is what do they stand to gain if I believe what
they're saying is true. And you should ask that of every politician that makes you a promise. >> But that's everybody that comes in and says, "Oh, this ethanol bill is great."
Well, what's their financial interest? or they say this ethanol bill is terrible. What's their financial interest? And it was a bill that really it wasn't clear and I had constituents
on both sides. So after five rounds with Grock, it still wasn't clear and Grock still didn't know the answer, >> but he tried. >> But so should we do do you think there
should be lobbyists at all? Should we just get rid of lobbying if they're, you know, obviously lobbying on behalf of an interest that's probably not your
constituent's interest? What is what is the I guess the argument for having lobbyists at all? >> Well, let me give you an example of you
know lobbyists you might not might be okay with >> um the like the Junior Diabetes Foundation. Okay. >> [ __ ] those guys. >> Okay.
>> Like um if if you're a congressman and you didn't have a kid with diabetes, how much do you know about diabetes in children? >> Right.
>> Particularly if you're not a doctor. So they come and they try to explain about the illness and then motivate why research on this particular topic might
be important. And so you can learn things from people are advocating. Look, I've got hundreds of people in this
congressional district who are knocking on doors for me and in a way they're kind of lobbying for me, >> but they're not getting paid. >> They're not getting paid.
>> They're not. That's the difference is that you know what's behind the children's diabetes lobby is probably Novo Nordis who makes OMPic and now they want to push that drug so they're getting that that's what I'm saying with
all there's a lot of different conflicts of interest especially financial conflicts of interest that doesn't seem >> above board you know >> well the problem may be for the Junior
Diabetes Foundation is they don't that nobody's in the pocket of Junior Diabetes right like they don't hand out checks when they're there talking to you
and and to be honest >> I um most of those uh lobbyists for that foundation are not paid. Like they do have some professionals who tell the
moms, "Okay, I'll help you get a meeting and here's the schedule and here's how to get from the subway train to your hotel to the congressional office."
There are some professionals who are guiding those volunteer lobbyists. So, all I'm saying is um there could be a place for people who advocate for
people. The problem is the congressmen who put their brain in neutral because they get some money from that organization, >> right? I think it's the money. It's not
the lobbying. It's the money, right? Is what you're saying is that if there's people handing out cash, you know, and we and we'll get to the biggest lobby of
all potentially >> um the one that's after you, which >> let's get to it now, isn't it? >> Yeah. I mean, we'll jump in. >> Wait, I got to ask about your hat though. >> Yeah,
>> that looks like my polling right now. Well, it's very close, which is it's and that's on that's because what 95% of the money I think pouring into your primary
in Northern Kentucky, you said it was coming from >> Israeli lobby. >> Israeli lobby. >> Yeah. >> So, what's their beef with you? I mean, you voted against the Epstein files. Is
there a connection there? You think Epstein Israel, is that why they're after you? Why do you think they're targeting you so hard? Well, when you
get to the billionaire class, a lot of those people are just friends. They go to dinner parties together. Like the billionaires who are going against me,
they may have not been to Epstein Island, but they certainly went to dinners uh where Jeffrey Epstein was present. They donated to his causes in
order to make their name sound better. And um they were in that same social circle. And one of the three billionaires who's against me, John Pollson, his name is in Epstein's phone
book. He appears in Epstein's emails asking Epstein for $50,000 to honor Howard Lutnik, which Epstein did give
him $50,000. >> And I don't think a lot of people realize that. You know, people know there's a race going on against you, but do people realize that one of the people
funding no this against you is a is a Epstein potential associate? Even if they were email buddies, I feel like that would kill the whole thing. >> No, these three billionaires, look,
MAGA, they they started here's this is the the crime and the joke. They started a super PAC called MAGA Kentucky. These
billionaires, they might give to Republicans, but they ain't MAGA. And they've never even set a foot in Kentucky. They've they might have looked
down out of their private jet once while they were flying over Kentucky. That's as close as they've ever been to Kentucky. and um they fund like
transgender uh activist groups with George Soros. They do fundraisers for Chuck Schumer. They donated to Liz Cheney after she
voted to impeach the president. Now all these people are magically Republicans and they're Donald Trump's best friend because they'll pay for the ballroom or
rebranding the Kenn Kennedy Center. They're the same people giving that money and their first priority is Israel. Miriam Adlesen, right,
>> is a dual citizen born um in Israel before it was Israel, if you will, as a as a state. But >> she was born in Palestine.
>> Yeah. >> So, she's Palestinian. I guess she's the other side's runed by Palestinian. I don't know. Um anyways,
um she's not maggot. She's got millions of dollars and she's giving it to causes like the ballroom. And the and the sad thing is he's in influencing foreign
policy by buying the columns and the gold trim for the ballroom, >> right? And I think that's that's I mean that's why I'm here is because it seems like this is the race to determine the
future of American democracy. It's like and you take out maybe the most popular congressman in Congress. I think you have maybe a 70% approval rating. The
rest of Congress is like four 5% or something like that. And if you can flood the zone with 95% foreign money and you're running I've
seen some of the ads run against you which is like I don't know what I mean they're saying that you're doing this and that. It seems very sketchy like what the claims are making but they're
trying to say like you're you know >> against Trump you I don't know what kind of you're you're above or something like that have an affair. I don't know what
they're saying but it's kind of like that. >> Well they're very clear what they're saying. They say I have a throppple going with AOC and Ilhan Omar >> and there's video of the three of us
holding hands and uh going to a restaurant and smiling and laughing and then checking into a hotel. Some grainy security camera footage of the three of
us, you know, going to a room >> and the boomers are going to watch that and think that's real. Even though there's a disclaimer at the bottom that
you can't for 4 seconds >> that nobody can read. And by the time you realize what the commercial is, you you're like, "What?" The disclaimer is
already gone. >> And it's AI. >> It's AI, right? Is it's there's not actual grainy footage of you and Ilhan Omar walking into a >> No, it's right. It's not
>> Well, that's what I'm saying. That's why it's I'm so passionate about >> They had to photoshop Ilhan in. >> I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. >> But it's like if that could happen, it's
like what's left for the American people? Like is it do we even bother with democracy anymore if if it you know if you could just override any kind of
will of the voter with just money right just billions of dollar I think or I think this is a $30 million race I might be over exaggerating might be somewhere along those
>> lines no that's I think when the dust settles and they go back and add up the numbers I bet it'll be 35 million >> that's insane that's insane imagine what
$35 million can do for Kentucky >> well let me tell let me tell you what it has done >> so they've been running millions of dollars of ads since last summer. Okay,
nobody has run a primary this long. So, it's it's not only um one of the most not only the most expensive primary,
it's probably the longest primary. I mean, they didn't even have a candidate yet and they were running negative ads against me. My fave unfave, okay, this
is when you ask people, you do polls, you have a favorable view of Thomas Massie, do you have unfavorable view? It used to be a like a year ago. Yeah. It
was 6212. >> So 62% of my constituents had a favorable uh opinion. 12% had unfavorable. What's that leaves? Like
25% honestly didn't know who I was. Right. >> Right. And these are voters. >> Right. >> But that's okay. Like that's still a high name ID for a congressman. People
vote and they know who the president is, but they don't always know who their congressman is. But that 6212 after having um 15 to20 million just to smear
my name has now become like 4444. >> Like as many people have an unfavorable view of me as have a favorable view. And
not a single thing has changed about the way I do my job and the principles I represent and the way I vote. I have voted the same time every time. It's
because you can change public opinion with commercials. That's why corporations do it. >> Well, and that's why politicians do it.
>> So, I think this is your I don't want me to steal your question, but uh but I I did want to know like then you're like an MIT guy, very smart. You build everything with your hands like you're
off the grid. Why did you even do this at all? >> You know, it tries to steal your >> I'll address it to you.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's her. Sorry. Um, >> no, you're fine. >> Uh, bad judgment.
>> Well, listen, I tell people if I could get the what was it? The neuralizer in Men in Black. >> Yeah. >> Where they give you a visual labbotomy
or something, you know, you you look in there and it erases your brain. If I can, if that was an option, I might I might be like, "Give me that
thing." And then and then go back to not knowing what's behind the curtain. >> But the instant I got elected and got to
Washington DC and saw what goes on and how bad it is, I'm like, I've got to fix this. And if I can't fix it, I got to at
least tell people what the hell is really going on up here. And I've spent 12 years telling people what's going on, like how involved the foreign lobbyists
are, how the uni party works, how the Republicans and the Democrats are having fake fights to, you know, to try to
convince people back home that they're up there fighting when in fact they're all just big spenders. And so I've spent 12 years not necessarily being an
obstructionist, but imposing transparency. That's why they want me gone. It's not Look, I'm one vote out of
435. >> Is it Am I saying your vote doesn't make it? >> No. Hell, it's almost just punishing you. >> Well, I wonder if it's punishing or and
I think this is going to be a compliment, but I was watching you on, you know, Tucker and learning more about you and you kind of seem like the Benjamin Franklin of our time, right?
You're this inventor. You are constitutionalist. And when I look at Charlie Kirk and what Charlie Kirk stood for, a lot of the
things that you stand for are the same. And I wonder if that's a threat to the deep state. And so it's less about that one vote, but more about what the future
could hold for you. >> Yeah. >> Because I feel like if you win this against all odds and $40 million and the people turn out and support you, you
could be the next president. And that could just >> throw Well, I mean, it could happen, right? It could just and it could just throw a wrench in. I don't know what the
deep state is, but whatever their plans are, it it would really mess things up, right? >> I don't know what God's plan is for me. Yes. >> But I can tell you
>> by spending $30 million in this race, they've definitely elevated my profile. I was in an Uber this morning, okay?
>> Cuz I didn't have a car this week in DC to go get my haircut. And I know I need more haircut, but um I'm talking to the Uber driver and he hasn't turned around
and he's from he's from another country, but he seems somewhat conservative. I I used somebody else's Uber account.
Okay, I'm not going to say who, but it was a female. And I got in the car and he I I'll use a different name. He goes, "Tiffany?" And I said, "Um, this Uber is
for me, but I'm not Tiffany." And he goes, "Well, these days you can be anything you want, I guess. I don't I don't I never question it. And then we
started talking about high prices of everything and we started talking about um how the war was causing that. And then he started talking about how Israel
has too much influence on our foreign policy. And I said, "All right, I'm going to tell you who I am." I said, "I've got Israeli lobby spending, you
know, $20 million against me and I'm a congressman." And he goes, he looked up in the mirror. He goes, "Thomas Massie,
Thomas Massi is in my car." Like he knew who I was because how does an Uber driver in DC from a foreign country
who's, you know, he's now an American and he works very hard and he he sounds like he leans independent conservative. At least he's common
sense. >> Yeah. And I'm like, if an Uber driver knows who I am and he's not been in this company very long, >> could be Ms.
>> I I feel >> could have been Msad. That's why I used a different name. That's why I was Tiffany. >> That's why James uses a different name, too. No, but I feel like a lot of times
these plans backfire, right? Uh after Charlie Kirk was assassinated. My mom is a Republican. She's a Fox News watcher,
you know, and there was, you know, a lot of people talking, could it be Israel? You know, you know, he was starting to come out, questioning things. And my mom
goes calls me one day and she goes, "Do you think Israel might have killed Charlie Kirk?" I go, "If my mom thinks this, right, all the all the uh, you know, propaganda and stuff that they're
doing is not working." And so, to your point, these ads might propel you. You win this. Now, you have the Uber guy from another country recognizing your
name. Who knows? This could be the biggest backfire of all time. >> And And you know what? after he he dropped me off at the barber shop. >> Yeah. >> And he said, "Can I get a selfie?" And I
said, "Sure." And he goes, "Give me your website. I'm donating to you today." >> Wow. >> And I was like, >> "Please don't like don't donate too
much." Like >> like this is a guy who knows that everybody else is barely scrapping by. He's got to pay for his own gas in his
Uber car. It's cutting in to his ability to make a living. and the guy wanted to donate to my cause. So to your point, the other thing that these ads are doing
is they get replayed nationally. >> I the last time I checked, which was many months ago, I had 30,000 donors on my list. It's probably 50,000 now. And
if you look at the donor map with the United States, every state, like I have hundreds of donors in every state, it's a big platform nationally to speak even
if you didn't run for president, right? Yeah. >> And so when you get the the followers and they're on your page and they're not fake bots, they're real people, um it
does give you a platform to speak, which is a dangerous thing. That's what Charlie Kirk had. He was not he was there was no plan, as far as I know, for him to run for president. That's not why
he was a threat to the establishment. He was a threat to the establishment because he used his own mind and he wouldn't lie about what he was thinking.
He would defend his his ideas and he loved debate and he had the biggest platform. And what was he who was he
talking to? Was he talking to the people who are about to check into nursing homes? >> No, the youth. >> The youth >> and young men, >> right? Young men. And they were becoming
conservatives and not not just Republican though. >> And they were he was teaching them to think for themselves too, right? >> Yeah. Well, which is probably one of the
most dangerous things you could do to a population from the elite perspective. I mean, imagine people thinking for themselves and making up their own mind when they see an issue. It's not just,
oh, so and so said I should support this, so I will. I'm going to actually think about it what this means for myself, my family, my community, and then make a decision.
For me, that I mean, that's what I try to do on my platform is like I never try to give people like what they should do, but I try to give them empower them to make their own decision. It's like,
>> of course, they're going to take him out. >> Real real quick. >> Yeah. >> The last interview I did with Charlie Kirk, you can go find it online. >> He asked if I was worried about my own
safety >> because we were doing uh weaponization of government committee and I was put on it >> and um it turned out to be pretty lame.
But in the beginning, we thought it was going to be the next church committee, >> right? the committee that uncovered all of the >> MK Ultra, you know,
>> the things the CIA was doing, the experiments on people. >> Y >> um we thought it was going to be that. And Charlie Kirk was worried for my safety and more than once, twice, he
called me one of his favorite congressmen. >> I mean, I can see why, but um on thinking for yourself,
do you feel like the deep state at all angles is trying to kind of dumb down the population? I mean, with AI, for example, you said it's true. AI is not
always right. And I heard you on Tucker Carlson say that you buy three books. >> Yes. >> For everything, right? And we were just talking about how certain Congress men
and women are not even reading the bills. Um, how important do you think books are in the future? And are you worried that AI might be, you know,
captured by the deep state to kind of indoctrinate people to think a certain way and and keep us from learning the truth about things? Well, by the way, if I had a book to
sell right now, I could probably make $2 million, right? I And I thought about asking Grock tonight to write a 300page book about Thomas Massie
>> and they probably wouldn't be too bad. >> Yeah, I know. >> And then sell it. Um, but that's why the books that have already been printed are so important
>> because every book, >> every speech that you hear from here on out. I So I had three interns start in my office this week.
>> Okay. >> So the first thing I did was take them to the House chamber to the gallery to watch how Congress works because they're going to be answering phones and talking to constituents. And what they got to
see was a bunch of congressmen waiting in line to give speeches and they were all holding pieces of paper. They were all reading their speeches
and I I I know what's happened. Some junior staffer >> has asked chat GPT to in the voice of,
you know, Joe Smith Yeah. >> from, you know, Nebraska. Write a speech for Joe Smith from Nebraska. A one minute speech and and make it sound like
it's caring. Right. So, what I realized was you could almost just replace the congressman now with AI if he's going to give an AI speech.
>> That's a scary thought. >> And and to show you how close this is to really happening, the guy running against me >> did a social media post and he forgot to
take off the AI header. >> Oh my god. And it said, >> "Here's a post in your usual folksy concerned tone about constituents."
Yeah. Like this one looks like you care. And then the folksy tone, right? Like he made that as a prompt. >> Yeah. Your community oriented, you know, tone
>> and it was like and and so we caught him. I screen captured it and I just embarrassed him. So what did he do? Did
he take it down and write another post? No. He took it down, took the AI header off and put it back up. The same AI post.
>> Okay. >> That's what this race like. You're talking about all the marbles, all the chips. Like I am I I write my own social
media posts. Okay. I have I run this is why I'm another reason I'm in service. >> Yeah. I think your social media manager actually told me that. >> Yeah. >> Earlier. >> And I And so what I do is just to
disclose >> because I was like who's sassy? Is it you that's sassy or is it >> I would fire my staff if they did the stuff I do online. And then also if I
wake up I my sleep habits are I I get like five hours in then I wake up a few an hour and then I go back to sleep. But in that hour I wake up like at 3:00 a.m.
I'm online. Okay. >> My maha wife is like put your red screen on. It's too bright. You >> So I got the red screen app so I can do
this without waking her up and or ruining her retinas whatever. Yeah. With blue light. And uh people are like,
"This is a this is one of Congressman Massiey's staffers." And I'm like, I can assure you 3:00 a.m. at Saturday morning, my staff is not doing this.
They're not working. >> No, it's it's really I mean, this race, I don't want to just hammer that same point home, but it's it's so I think next week for me, either I'm going to be like feeling rejuvenated and the career
choice that I made is going to be worth it because I came from the world of consulting. This is not about me, but I entered this because I wanted to give people information to make this country
better. And if they do this, then I'm like, I'm either going to have a a jubilant moment where I'm like, yes, let's double down and keep doing what we're doing, or I'm going to have a moment of reflection of like, what do we
do moving forward if you can literally flood the zone with money and take out a congressperson, especially not even from the local Kentucky. It's not like
Kuckians are, you know, advocating against you because you've done some wrong to them. It's a foreign lobby. Mariam Madson, these characters, Paul Singer coming after you and saying, "No,
we're going to put in this guy who I believe is running some kind of Joe Biden campaign. I haven't seen him." >> Right. He's turned down hat. >> Yeah. I don't even know if he's real or
not, >> James. I'm not sure either. >> Have you seen him in person? Have you met this? Do we Can we confirm that he's real? >> I I've seen a body.
>> The president says it's a warm body from Central Casting. >> Like, that should give you pause right there. That's the nicest thing the president can say about it. But you know
when you said I'm going to have a moment. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to have a hell of a moment myself on on election night and then the next day.
>> Like what does win or lose, right? I've got to give a speech, >> right? >> And um I'm thinking about writing a
speech. >> One speech >> using shot GBC. >> Yeah. one speech that would cover both instances
>> and and you don't change a word of it. Wouldn't that be a neat speech? >> Wow. >> Um and but I you know the reason I run is I
do have hope. Like and I am I am a spiritual person. I don't wear my religion on my sleeve because in Congress I represent 750,000 people,
right? And so I don't represent a a religious group in Congress. I I do represent the principles that are
informed by my Christianity and I do pray. I I do say a blessing before I eat my food and all that and thank God every
day for the opportunity to do this. But and so whatever happens on election night is going to be God's will. like he
has a plan >> and I'm going my job is to figure out what his plan is based on what happens on election night
>> but I have become more spiritual than I um than I previously was because I lost my wife and um
>> I'm sorry to say that >> it is so tough like >> because you guys were high school sweethearts right and I'm sure that's >> I cry every day
um and it's you know you can be totally normal 99.9% of the time and and then the 0.1% you
just lose it. Okay. Um but I am more spiritual and I would do anything to get to see her again. >> Well,
not yet. >> Right. Right. Right. Yeah. >> Not yet. >> I do I do believe I do believe also she doesn't want me to join her yet.
>> Yes. and that and that there is a plan >> and and um you know I'm not apocalyptic or or whatever but
>> um I'm saying all this because like getting the Epstein files passed to me it did seem impossible given the
things I have attempted in Congress and it's like Lucy and the football they always at the last minute the swamp take like the victory is right there. And
usually it's somebody I relied on. It's usually a person. It wasn't a problem with the logic. I'm an engineer, right? It could have worked except somebody let
me down who swore they would not let me down. And and that's what I thought was the weakness in this plan. And it turned out the three women that chose to put
their name on the discharge petition, Marjorie Taylor Green, Nancy Mace, and Lauren Boowart. Lauren Boowbert is in Kentucky with me right now campaigning. >> Yes. she's in this room right here. Um
came to this rally. Those three women did not let me down. They did not let the survivors down. Um and they were so brave and they each uh paid a price for
it. But what I want to say is it seemed so unlikely that that would succeed and it did succeed. And and then the evil
that we've disclosed is demonic. >> Yes. like it's beyond the things that any normal human being would even
contemplate much much less act out on. And so I think there I think the the Epstein files getting them released
seeing the evil that's in them is more evidence that there is a God and he's interested in what's going on right now. And um and I think the fact that I had
these globalist billionaires spend, you know, $20 million against me so far, I estimate.
And this final week, I thought I was I was hoping I would have $200,000 to spend in this final week on TV, but not
sure where I would find $200,000 cuz we were out of money. We were literally calling the people that the
credit card that that runs the website and asking them to drive to the bank to make a wire transfer so we could send it to the TV stations here.
>> That's how much out of money we were. And we did a money bomb and I needed to raise $200,000. You could go back and find this. I
literally said this online. >> Yeah. >> We've raised $2.3 million. >> Wow. And I just bought another half million dollars of ads today.
>> I love it. >> And what is happening? What is happening? Like I think there is this there is a God. I do think >> 100%
>> people are being compelled to do something moral and right and um they're joining together even though they're not
all in the same location and they feel a bond and they're uniting around this and it's not about me. Just like you said before, it's not about me. Um, I just
have to figure out what my role is and then whenever what happens, you know, I'm going to have to figure out what the plan is at that point.
>> Right. >> Well, because I don't want to give up if let's say it doesn't go your way next week. I don't think that's to me there's going to be a record at least, you know,
for me to just emotionally get over that. But >> don't you have to move don't get over it. Like this is what I think. like if I lose, don't get over it.
>> Right. That was a question I was going to ask you. It's like what do you tell the voters? It's like if if you can do this to the, you know, the most, you know, favored congressman in
>> you can't let evil win. That's the message. >> What would you tell the voters who's kind of given because I think >> so they you you felt it here today. We had >> there there was a guy here who um he may
still be here who said, "I am OCD and I counted everybody in this room and you had 210 people here today." Oh, >> and we didn't announce until yesterday.
>> Yeah. >> That it was going to this event was going to happen. Okay. And there's people from Texas here. Okay. Yeah. >> Like, how did you get here in 24 hours?
Okay. Um, but I feel like we're going to win. The energy is on us. >> I do, too. I I I feel like you're going to win. >> My polling says that 5149, right?
>> So, that's I mean, every every vote matters. There's no You don't want to take any votes for granted. You go out there. I feel like we're going to win, but if I don't, we've got to figure out
what what whatever you believe in, whether it's God or karma or the universe or like Elon Musk, I think he
thinks we're in a simulation. It could be I mean, this I I definitely this is not reality TV anymore. This is
this is like scripted. Somebody I feel like is scripting this somewhere. I particularly think it's God, but we've got to figure out if I lose. What was
Why did so many people become like emotionally invested in this? Was it so that their eyes would open up?
>> If I lose, it could be true that you're not voting your way out of this. >> Well, >> that's what a lot of people are feeling. That's a lot of my audience is like,
what's the point? You know, we vote whoever in there. Like you were saying in the last interview that we did with with Lauren. It's like we we vote Bob in there. >> Well, I I stole that from you actually
from Tucker Carlson. >> Oh, what I say. >> Well, you said, you know, you'll visit a town and you say what, you know, was Bob blackmailed? We voted him in, right? >> You know, and then does Bob have kitty
porn? Like, what happened to Bob? You know, that is the question. uh for a lot of just regular Americans, you vote these people in, but I think you're unique in the sense that you've stayed
true to what you run on. >> Right. So, we got to ask what happened to Massie. >> Well, yeah. >> I I I just want to say this and this is
probably I probably shouldn't be doing this, but I think you're going to win. And I am very spiritual and I'm religious and I'm a Christian and we
came all the way from California and I don't know. I'm going to cry, but I feel like I have a I have an 11week old
baby at home. I've never left him before, but I just felt this pull that this was so important to come. >> And I think because this is a spiritual
war going on, and you do represent good. I've never met you before. You know, I didn't even know too much about you, but I've done a lot of research. And so, I
feel like your wife is your angel. She's going to be with you. she's going to, you know, just like with the Epstein Files, probably kick it across the goal line for you, right? >> And maybe that's just a little hopeful,
but I really do feel that that is what all of this momentum and energy is, is for you to win for
good. >> So, uh, so I am >> Stop. Sorry. All right. I I am, you
know, remarried to a a wonderful woman who is uh in in some ways more principled than me. >> Well, I already know because you said
the red light thing. So, I >> Oh, yeah, the red light. Okay. She's I also have only like four pans to cook in because she threw away all the ones that
had non-stick coating on them. >> I love her. Love her even more. >> She went through the pantry. >> There's no nothing with soybean oil in it. >> I love it. like we got all new sardines.
U and um anyways, she's in a lot ways more consistent, more principled and more health consscious than I am. And
she's great. My late wife um was, you know, an amazing woman as well. And my late wife was a genius. Okay. She she
was building when she was 16 an itrium barerium copric oxide superconductor >> on her farm. Her dad had to quit school
in the eighth grade and her mom had a GED. So we know her parents were not building the superconductor for her. Okay. And I was a little nerd. I built
robot arms out of junk. I was in Eastern >> I heard you won a an award from NASA at 15. Yes, at the International Science
Fair. >> So, what do you think's happening to all these scientists >> right when the UFO pilot came out?
>> Um, here here was going to be my point. And so, >> how to throw that in? >> So, u my wife went to MIT as well. I was
the first hillbilly from our public high school to ever go to MIT. She was two years younger than me. She was the second hillbilly. She got into Harvard and MIT and chose chose MIT over Harvard
>> and like I said grew up on a farm, went to public school and had two parents who didn't, you know, did not have high school diplomas. Um, and um, I feel like
and she was also such a uh, an asset to me, like the voters of Kentucky got her
brain uh, when I got elected. And I feel like if anybody could go to heaven and find some levers
to pull like the magic >> superconductor. >> Yes. If she could get a magnet to float over something she cooked in the oven,
right, in her mom's oven, >> like if there's anybody in heaven that would be authorized to grab some levers
and pull them, it would be her. >> I mean, >> and and so I do feel like um and again, I don't want anybody watching this to
think that I think I'm divinely, >> you know, equipped. I really feel like I'm a vessel and I'm humbled and I know that. Um, but I think there are,
you know, elements like her. She I do believe she's up there pulling levers and um helping things out when and I
think that's another special push we can get. Um, so I am glad you were pulled to come here. It's is it's not like uh what
was it in uh h what was the movie where they all went to that mountain and the dad was possessed and made it out of mashed potatoes. Uh oh come on.
And Close Encounters. >> Okay. >> Close Encounters, right? That movie. >> Yeah. >> Where like all the Woody station wagons showed up in the desert at one mountain,
right? Because the aliens were going to be there, right? Hopefully it's not that. Hopefully the aliens don't show up on May 19th. No,
>> this was all a trick to get us to show up and go to another planet. >> Unless there's good aliens and bad aliens, the good aliens showing up, which is very possible. >> Maybe maybe they're selecting the best
of the humans, the ones that would come here to Kentucky on May 19th. These are the ones we want to >> Yeah, exactly. >> Um, anyways, I do I think it's more
divine and not aliens and not a simulation. And I do believe it's up to us. Like I'm also not a fatalist. I don't I do believe that there's it
there's divinity involved but it's not it's not u something we can't influence like it is up to us.
>> Yeah. I believe God gave us all free will and a purpose >> right >> and so that's the beautiful thing. It's the you know devil
>> you know can work as hard as you know the devil wants to work but the good I believe is always going to win in the end. So, I'm hoping this is an example of that and I think it will be.
>> I hope so, too. We were talking to Sam Tripley and he he's a comedian and he does a lot of conspiracy stuff. But what he was telling us is, hey, you have a lot of hope because if the, you know, if
the deep state was in charge, if they had their way, we would already be in 15inute cities. We already have like the CBDC's. You would have like a digital chip in you. Everybody, >> you know nothing and be happy.
>> Yeah. People have pushed back because we want our own sovereignty. And I think that's very important for a guy like yourself to be like, "Okay, yeah, this is, you know, this is what we're fighting for."
>> I'm I'm glad you brought that up because one of the things that I preach now that I'm a a legislator is non-compliance, right? Like you are you first and
foremost, you have to do moral things. The government can't tell you it can't we can't legislate morality. Okay? And
also we also sometimes create legislation that's immoral. Okay. And in that like vaccine mandates
u the the notion that somebody could force a a needle into another person's body. >> It's my body my choice unless it's the
vaccine. It didn't make any sense. >> And they're like well we didn't force you. You could be homeless. >> Right. >> Or you could lose your job. That's what I mean. Yeah. It's like we didn't force
you, but if you want your livelihood, >> Biden said we're losing our patience, >> right? >> We're not going to force you, but if you want to travel, if you want to eat, uh
if you want to have a job, right, if you want to see your uh your kids in the hospital, you know, >> so we're not forcing you. We're just doing this. Anyways, the the reason I
think we got out of that COVID trap was uh there was about 1% of the population who said, "I'm not going along with it."
Okay. You want a vaccine card? I got a laser printer, right? Like >> I was one of those. >> No. And I think that is actually one of
the biggest examples of an attempt to control the population that backfired. That might be the biggest one that has set everything in motion. Now,
>> it was it was sort of an IQ test, but but a lot of smart people fell for it. >> It was in more ways a compliance test.
Like, yeah, this is a test. are you cattle or are you sovereign people? And um you know we uh we kind of
unfortunately a lot of people became just compliant >> and tyrants reward your compliance with
more tyranny. >> And >> so to your point you listed some things that people won't go for didn't go for and the reason they didn't happen was
people wouldn't go for it. Not because there weren't some people in DC that wanted to force it and were trying to force it and that's still happening. So
I call it people say you need small acts of random kindness. I think you need small acts of random non-compliance and that's what improves the world,
>> right? I I just want to remind people, you know, above the the moral clarity and everything like that, this is the guy who released the Epstein, fought to release the Epstein files, put forth a
war powers resolution because that's what Congress is supposed to do, approve acts of war, and also fought against putting pesticides into the food supply
>> and just voted against the immunity for >> immunity against Bayer, right? It's like, oh, our products are so safe that you can't sue us. Just makes no sense. I
used to be a pharmaceutical consultant. I know what was going on the inside. It was there's a lot of things going on that I guess I can't talk about because I'm under an NDA and I don't have the
money to defend against any kind of lawsuit. >> This be one of your small moments of non-compliance. >> But look, yeah. No, I told this I mean I
can't tell the the the exact >> He might have an account online without his name on it where this information comes out. >> I have a slide that I'm like I need this
to go public. 51 the name. No. >> So, I think everybody needs to turn out in if you're in Northern Kentucky,
please come out, support Thomas Massie. I've never ever really endorse a a candidate ever before. I would I tell her no. I was like, I don't want to talk
to any politicians. That's kind of my rule cuz I think they're all, you know, in some ways very, very dark people. But I'm like, okay, I think this guy is a good guy. And maybe, you know, I'm
wrong, maybe I'm right, but I'm I'm here. And she's obviously here because >> and I have a better pulse on the good and bad. And you're a good guy. And we're here. And it's so exciting. And
even if you know you're not Northern Kentucky, retweet this, re-share this, get the word out there to as many people as possible. We have to be louder than
the billionaires. We have to be louder than all the special interest groups. And we have to make sure that we are voting in people like Thomas Massie. We have to vote in Thomas Massie to make
sure that um the interests of the American people are the most important thing. >> Absolutely. For guys like Joe, I promised Joe I I I didn't yesterday I I
got in really late so I went to Urban Thma's once again. Not a paid sponsorship, but the the grill was shut. I went in there. He's like, "Dude, the grill's been I mean, it's off." And and
then so I was in there with a couple of guys. I was like trying to figure out what I can eat and everything else. Everything ended up being fast food. It was like, "You can go to McDonald's. You can do this." And then finally he's
like, "I'll turn the grill back on. I'll make you a burger." >> Wow. And then I stayed there. I had like seven beers with them and I whipped their So my wife keeps like grass-fed
beef jerky in her purse. >> There's purse cheese and purse beef like for emergencies like that. So we get on
the airplane, the first thing like I we didn't have the terminal we were at didn't have food and certainly not food we would eat. >> And I'm like, "You got any purse
cheese?" as soon as we got on, she whips out like some, you know, snack. >> Um, >> so support, I mean, that's what we're here for. Small businesses support those
kinds of places that they've been in business since 1939. Once again, not an ad, but a great great burger in Northern Kentucky. They said you've been there before, so I hope you >> Yeah, I've been to a lot of these
places. And burgers are great for you if maybe don't eat the bun. >> It was a good bun. Good. Yeah, they got the Well, the bun is filled with like 17
ingredients. I'm like, "Is this what breakfast?" >> And glyphosate's one of them. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Whether you like it or not,
>> it's like Colonel Sanders, you know, secret recipe for chicken, right? But, um, here's one thing I do want to say that I think it's important. We don't
have to agree 100% of the time on a 100% of things, right? to a you can know somebody's a good person and and even
disagree with them 80% of the time and I think that's what we're losing uh on social media where there's anonymity and
you know >> uh and we're losing it in Congress too. That's something that I have noticed in the comments on on my page. I've got
people coming on and saying, "You know what? I actually disagree with you 70 or 80% of the time." >> Yeah. >> But I think you're one of the few people
up there who's honest >> and I'm going to, you know, donate to you or share this post or whatever or vote for you because of that. And I I
think that's what we've lost is that kind of where you can you and here's why they want to divide us, right? They would like to divide us over 1%
disagreement. Right. Right. >> And like they're trying to tell people that if you support Trump, you'd be a traitor to vote for Massie. That's not
true. People aren't falling for that. Lauren Boowbert is here. She's one of Trump's biggest supporters. She came to my district to campaign for two or three
days um to show people that you can have differences and then you can still support, you know, each other. It's
like, do you have um friends who are arguing like maybe a couple, you know, and they get in an argument and you were you knew them as a couple and you were friends,
but they both insist now that you not be friends with their ex, right? That's the kind of not that Trump and I are exes. Okay. Is this a temporary situation?
>> Exactly. >> Yeah. like so yeah for a unifying message like how do you suppose like what's the the future of the nation looks like in terms of like getting
through some of these like I think you and him ran on very similar things right no more wars you know get the get the toxins out of the food right uh I guess
the follow and then so it seems like one person has sort of veered off you've stayed on the highway so then how do you
what's what's the vision of bringing it back together >> well first of Paul um we we did some you know doom black pilling there for a
second talking about what if I lose >> what if I win. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Let's talk about that. >> Well, there are members >> president in 2020.
>> Oh no. There are there are >> you call it we want that exclusive when you don't
>> there are members of Congress who uh they tell me on some of these votes they're like yours is the right vote. I just can't do that today. This is not a
>> like we'll talk about it in private. We'll go out to dinner. They're friends of mine. I know exactly how they feel and they're like I just can't die on
this hill. I can't die on this hill today. Whatever the issue might be, I'm not gonna die on this hill today. And what they're saying is it's a it's a
tough decision you got to make. They're saying, "I'm up here. I'm doing good. I know I'm a decent person. I'm way more decent than your average congressman,
and I won't come back if I take the vote you're taking today." >> And that actually might be making a logical decision. But if I win, we can
demonstrate that you can take this hill without dying. That politically you can survive live to fight another day and
you can fight all the righteous fights and then if we empower a dozen congressmen with my to who are good people and they're already there, you
don't even need to win another election. The leverage is in showing the people who are there that you can take votes like Massie and come back. Then let's
say we get a dozen of them who who vote with me on the next thing where I would have been the only no. They Apac can't spend $30 million on a dozen people.
>> That's $360 million. That's enough to win a president. That's enough to build a ballroom. Okay. >> We do give them >> or a bunker. We don't really know what's
going on. Yeah, >> it's they just And so I do believe this is an inflection point and that winning means a lot. It means that you don't
have to be a rubber stamp on foreign policy. When the next war powers resolution comes up, >> instead of having one or two or three
Republicans say, well, you know, it is the Constitution that says, uh, Congress has to authorize this. Um, instead if
you had 50 or even just 12, 12 would have been enough. Do you know it? This week we voted on a war powers resolution. It the final vote was like
212 to 212. >> Isn't that that's the scripting though. It's like it's always this. >> It was a tie. >> Yeah. >> It's It's actually massive
>> because if you go against they'll find a Democrat to go yes. you know, this kind of >> they did get they did get two Democrats to go >> no and and we had like three Republicans
who went yes, it ended up a tie vote, which means it didn't pass. Okay. >> Um but if there had been 12 Republicans,
it would have been easy because when you get down to like six Republicans, what they do, like you said, they go find three Democrats to flip or they they go
threaten a water project in that congressman's district. >> Lauren Bilbert. Yep. Yes. We're not talking a hypothetical in this situation, right?
>> We're talking what really happens. >> Um or they say, "We're your political consultants are all going to quit you in your reelection because
>> we're going to tell their 30 other clients to fire them if they keep working for you, which is what happened to me." Now, if they have, they can't do
that to a dozen congressmen, right? like a pollster can't boycott a dozen congressmen because then he loses his
job, >> right? >> So anyways, I'm just saying this could mean this will mean a lot when I win um to the people who are
already there. >> Absolutely. Well, thank you so much, Congressman, for sharing some time with us today. This is the most nice to meet you. >> Can I get a hug? Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you so much. It was so amazing. the most existential election of all time. Go out and vote. >> Amen. >> Yes. Go out and vote and let us know
what you think about all this down below. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks for letting me have the comfy chair. >> That's nice. >> You deserve it. >> You're going through a lot.
>> I'll bring it in. Thank you. See?